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Title: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on March 18, 2020, 11:31:34 PM
This board is so quiet that we're not even discussing the pandemic and how it's affecting us. Are you and your family members self-quarantining? How's that going? What are you doing to keep busy? Check in and discuss...

We're hunkered down and staying in. The Nashville area has been hit pretty hard so Saturday was the last day I went out to get supplies. Planning on utilizing Amazon and local grocery delivery until things look safe out there... could be a few months (or more - gulp).
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on March 19, 2020, 12:20:30 AM
Thanks for starting this thread, Matt. I've been meaning to start one like it.

Hard to believe, but just a week ago, everything was still near normal in the New York area. I was going to my job at the New York Public Library every day, planning to take in a public reading there in a few days, stopping at a nearby gym a couple of times a week, enjoying the televised Spring Training games and looking forward to going to Opening Day of the baseball season in a couple of weeks, thinking of picking up a ticket to The Flying Dutchman at the Met, anticipating Act Three of Tristan und Isolde at Carnegie Hall next month, making plans to get together with friends for dinner at a Greek restaurant near me, wondering when I could get over to the Gerhard Richter exhibition at the Met Breuer, and when I would find time to catch three or four movies that had recently opened.

In the blink of an eye, all that was gone.

Now I'm home from work (trying to work from home, but there are limits on what I can do), with no baseball, no opera, no concerts, no museums, no movies, no gyms, no restaurants ... no nothin'. The City That Never Sleeps has slipped into a coma.

I'm still going out running in Central Park every day. At least they haven't shut that down. Yet.

Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on March 19, 2020, 01:20:30 AM
Same here, very quiet..
 I saw William Shatner  live here in London on Monday night, by Tues all theatres and venues closed..
All my work (concerts) has been cancelled and it's just a case of laying low till this thing passes I guess...
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Doug on March 19, 2020, 01:32:35 AM
My wife and I both work at the same casino on the Las Vegas Strip and the Strip is shut down. Sunday was my last day and it was rather surreal. My first grade daughter's school also closed Monday, so the three us plus the dog are home, social distancing. So I had been planning the writing of my next novel and I've jumped into that. I have never seen The Sopranos and it's available on Amazon Prime, so this seemed like a good time to start it. School is still going on, with assignments posted on google classroom, and it's a lot of work, a couple hours a day at least. It feels like good timing, where she can do much on her own but needs our guidance, so we're all involved.

To everyone, stay safe and take this virus seriously. If we can't contain it, our health care system will collapse. And a big thank you to all those in the health care system.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on March 19, 2020, 07:18:30 AM
I was wondering about our board members as well. My classes are all going online for work. I've been keeping an eye on the cases in Ohio to see where they all are. Yesterday a couple cases popped up closer to where I am. I hope we can contain it soon.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on March 19, 2020, 10:26:02 AM
Glad everyone is staying in and staying safe. :)

I watched Contagion this week, and it's pretty accurate to what we're dealing with now (though the death rate for those getting the virus there are higher than with COVID-19).

Doug, I really loved The Sopranos -- it's a good long series and should keep you busy for a few weeks!

Maybe we should do a Movie Night to be social while quarantined.

Like KC, I'm still getting out there to run every day -- but I go early now, before most people are out. It's a bit nervewracking even passing someone on the narrow trails. But, it's vital to stay strong and healthy throughout this.

A local business of ours does restaurant delivery, liquor store delivery (wow!) and grocery delivery. I have a big order of Nashville Hot Chicken coming tonight. Grateful to all those in the health field, but even more so to those low-wage workers on the front lines in our grocery and drug stores and the restaurant workers still open for delivery/takeout.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on March 19, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
Netflix recently started listing a top 10 list that I guess is based on the most watched shows/movies, and the 1995 movie Outbreak has been in the top 10 recently. I haven't seen that or Contagion.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on March 19, 2020, 06:23:06 PM
"Outbreak" is a very entertaining movie, Another Wolfgang Petersen thrill ride. "Contagion" is much more accurate, but much less fun to watch.

I'm doing okay. I have the flexibility to work 100% from home in circumstances like this, so I've been doing that for the past week, and I plan to continue doing so. I've been socially isolating as well. I'm not really worried about getting the virus myself. I think I'd likely recover fine, but I don't want to unknowingly transmit the corona virus to older, sicker people who may struggle. As a result of that concern, I've been inside my apartment since Saturday. I've only left once to get food at Trader Joes, since I'd completely run out. I bought 2-3 weeks worth to be on the safe side.

I'm finding the experience to be kind of hard. I live alone, and so it's been difficult for me to not go outside and to be all by myself all day every day with no one to talk to or keep me company. But, I'm trying to do the right thing, so that's what I feel I have to do.

I'm quite worried about my investments, since most of the little assets that I have are in index funds in the stock market, and the market is collapsing. But, I'm trying not to think about that too much since I don't think there's anything I can do about it. I'm hoping the markets will rebound quickly once people start to feel safer and the scale of the threat becomes more defined.

In my opinion, and I did take epidemiology and lots of other public health courses, this is likely going to last a minimum of 2-3 months before it becomes manageable, and that's a best case scenario. It could go on much longer. I am kind of worried about how we as a country will be able to function if the threat remains for that long and people are afraid to go outside, can't go to work, or don't have the disposable income to contribute to our economy. I'm skeptical the measures the administration is taking to lower interest rates and provide Americans with $1,000 will improve things macro-economically. This is because the economic downturn is caused by uncertainty around the virus, fear around how long it might last, and it's implications on society. So, the proposed remedies don't really address the cause of the problem.

Matt and KC, I hope you get to run outside soon! Stay safe in Ohio Christopher, and England, Gant! Let's try to support each other through this here on the board!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on March 19, 2020, 11:01:43 PM
We're still business as usual down here for the moment. There's been a few cases and it does increase daily but almost all of the infected are people who have returned from overseas. As long as others who return self isolate for a mandatory two weeks, it will slow the spread. Haven't heard from Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson for a couple of days so hoping no news is good news.

The panic buying in the shops has been embarressing to say the least. Fighting over toilet paper is just bizarre. Over filling your shopping trolley with packs and packs of toilet paper is just dumb. There isn't a shortage but once it hits the shelves, it's gone. Now it's pasta, long life milk, frozen veggies etc.

We've just finished summer and heading for winter so it could get a whole lot worse. Apparently after today, no international visitors for up to six months are allowed into the country and domestic flights should only be taken if necessary.

So the advice is stay home if not at work.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on March 19, 2020, 11:56:10 PM
Yeah,  the panic buying and fighting in the supermarkets is embarrassing and awful. Extra security has been brought in
and there's even talk of the police having to get involved.. People are talking about invoking the wartime/blitz spirit in London but I guess even then there was a certain amount of bad behaviour..

Although all my concerts have been cancelled I do have other incomes that are unaffected so far..

As for lockdown I guess the only thing to do us try to be positive and keep busy. I've got a ton of jobs to do round the house, a stack of books to read and films to watch. I can practice drums and keyboards and I'm also going to start an online French speaking course.. If things drag on for a long time then there's always Game of Thrones ;)


It'll be cool to come on here more often and be in touch with all you guys and support each other...
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on March 21, 2020, 12:25:36 AM
All pubs, clubs and restaurants closed down now till further notice...
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on March 22, 2020, 02:46:42 AM
I've been asked to take part in some streaming concerts which might be fun...
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on March 23, 2020, 09:37:18 AM
Ohio now has a stay at home order. It had already been suggested that we not go out unless we needed to, so not much will change except you can get into trouble if it's blatant that you're breaking the order.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on March 23, 2020, 02:13:43 PM
Same here as of tonight.. No going out apart from essential shopping, medical care and caring for vulnerable family members.
We're allowed out for exercise but not in groups of more than two...
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on March 28, 2020, 01:39:20 AM
I seem to have become addicted to "The Joy of Painting with Bob Ross" on you tube..
I don't paint but there's something very calming about thus guy..
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on March 28, 2020, 07:18:17 AM
I've only left my apartment once in the past couple of weeks, but I think I'm going to go out today and go to the grocery store. I am going a little crazy being inside for so long! I'm going to wear some gloves. Wish me luck! I am keeping those of you who are in the UK in my thoughts and prayers. Wishing for a speedy recovery for your Prime Minster, Boris Johnson. I have some family members in the UK, and one of them is going to be treating corona virus patients soon in the hospital. She's going a little crazy being at home with the family 24 hours a day! My brother, who is also a physician, volunteered for a corona virus response team at his hospital, and he's already seen some corona virus patients. I talked to him a week or so ago and he said they were woefully unprepared.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on March 28, 2020, 09:54:42 AM
I used to love watching Bob Ross on PBS. There's some collections of the show on Netflix as well.

Are you in DC, AKA? My mom and I went to the grocery this morning. It wasn't very busy, which was nice. And for the first time in a few weeks I saw toilet paper on the shelves. Maybe a sign that things will at least be available when we need them.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on March 29, 2020, 08:04:16 AM
We finally have some beautiful weather in middle TN, so the park where I run has been quite crowded, groups of people hovering around the narrow paths like there's no such thing as social distancing. I wish people would take this more seriously. I don't go out for any errands - I'm utilizing food delivery and Amazon/Whole Foods. Tomorrow marks 2 weeks of quarantine.

The number of reported cases in NY is more than alarming. KC, I'm glad to hear that you're doing okay. Keep checking in with us. We're thinking of you.

Things are picking up rapidly in TN. A friend of mine got it and was in the hospital earlier this week, but has been able to go home. She's not giving details of how she's doing, but she has said it is terrible and to take it seriously. I'm actually relieved that my father isn't around for this -- he had asbestosis and was on oxygen, plus he wouldn't survive staying home. He always had to be out at the bars trying to pick up women. He was severely lonely since my mother passed away. I'd be beside myself with worry for him if he was still around.

As for what we're going to keep boredom at bay -- has anyone watched Tiger King yet?
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on March 29, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
Christopher, I live in a suburb of Maryland. I work in Bethesda.

KC, we are definitely keeping you in our thoughts and prayers. Stay strong and safe out there!

I started watching "Criminal Minds" on Netflix, and I'm also watching Season 3 of "Ozark." If you have HBO, "Succession" is also pretty entertaining!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on March 29, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
Unfortunately it looks like a lot of people here, teens through to 40's are just not getting the message yet about staying home. At least we've got a chance to slow this virus as we see what's going on in Europe and The States and we're probably a few weeks behind in getting to a stage where hospitals will be over run. Watched 60 minutes last night and New York hospitals using trucks as make shift morgues is not a sight you'll forget in a hurry.

We didn't leave the house this weekend. Made a conscious effort to stay home and we started tidying the house, room by room. We'll do the same next week. We did actually go out once, to buy a fold up table that my wife can use as a desk so she can work from home.

I thought a quick trip to the hardware store, grab a table and be out in minutes. And we did. I just couldn't believe how many people were there. I've never seen the carpark so full. Plenty of people around. They had tape on the ground at the registers to keep your distance and only four people to an aisle but I was shocked at how many people are still going about as if everything is normal. I felt really uncomfortable until i got back to the car.

I still have to go to work as I'm classified as essential and I'm grateful I still have a job because there are 1,000's losing their jobs daily with most things closing down.

But after yesterday, I'm just going to go to work and home each day. To the supermarket sparingly for anything we need.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on March 30, 2020, 08:18:19 AM
It's very quiet here in East London. Most people seem to ge obeying the lockdown rules. Orderly, spaced queues outside supermarkets etc. the panic buying seems at an end at least. It's very strange looking up at the empty sky's. No planes..

I've set myself a daily routine to keep boredom at bay. Early morning workout in the garden after breakfast, drum practice,
reading. Tomorrow I'm starting online French lessons, it's something I've always wanted to do.
I've set myself a rule of no tv or films till after evening meal... ( with wine of course ;) )
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on March 31, 2020, 07:13:43 AM
Getting into a routine is a good idea. I'm still working but I don't like doing all of my work from home. It's far too easy to be distracted, and I'd much rather read a book of my choosing or watch movies or TV than work. :D  Initially the schools I work for were staying open so my plan had been to go there a few times a week to work on stuff and use their fitness center.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 01, 2020, 09:06:11 PM
There are four obituaries in today's New York Times. They take up all the editorial space on pages 26-27 of the print edition.

    Joe Diffie, Grammy-Winning Country Music Star, Dies at 61 (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/arts/music/joe-diffie-dead-coronavirus.html)

    Mike Longo, Jazz Pianist, Composer and Educator, Dies at 83 (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/arts/music/mike-longo-dead-coronavirus.html)

    Alan Merrill, a Songwriter of ‘I Love Rock ’n’ Roll,’ Dies (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/arts/music/alan-merrill-dead-coronavirus.html)

    William Helmreich, Sociologist and a Walker in the City, Dies at 74 (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/nyregion/william-helmreich-dead-coronavirus.html)

All died of the coronavirus.

The online Times says they are a part of a series about coronavirus victims, "Those we've lost." However, the print edition says nothing about that, and each person was prominent enough to rate a Times obit no matter how they died. They are the only four obits that ran today, so I thought that was a grim milestone of sorts.

Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on April 03, 2020, 11:27:17 AM
Wow, God Bless the Dearly Departed.  🙏 May they Rest In Peace. 🙏

Today marks the last day of my commuting from home in Salem, New Hampshire to Medford, Massachusetts.  When I was informed I’d be getting a laptop I requested to still come in as were down to a skeleton crew anyway, so not difficult to practice “social distancing”. 

I’d rather continue to come in but it’s not my choice so I’ll have to suck it up like the others.  The downside is working from home will be limiting, but, c’est la vie. 

I’ll just “improvise, overcome and adapt” for as long as it takes. 

I truly, honestly and sincerely hope you are all doing well.  Take care and stay safe, everybody! 🙂


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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on April 03, 2020, 10:07:40 PM
Chris Cuomo's experience with COVID-19 sounds brutal:

https://www.today.com/health/chris-cuomo-chipped-tooth-after-experiencing-coronavirus-rigors-hallucinations-t177387

Chipping a tooth from shivering...  :o

Brian (Jed) glad to hear you're staying home now. This isn't anything to play around with.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 04, 2020, 09:06:33 AM
Yes, I've been occasionally listening to Chris Cuomo's reporting on his own illness. It's brutal and chilling. His brother's daily briefings have become appointment television for me.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on April 06, 2020, 08:35:18 AM
Prayers for Chris Cuomo 🙏🙏

Thank you, Matt.  Yes, agreed.  At least the weather is nice enough out to get out for fresh air occasionally.


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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Doug on April 07, 2020, 01:36:28 AM
My wife was complaining of a headache today, and then later said she had a fever. It went up over 100 and then before bed it was 99.4. So, yeah, I'm a little freaked out. I feel fine, except I'm taking Allegra everyday to combat allergies. Earlier in the day was the first time I actually felt a sense of happiness. This will be a really rough year but I work for MGM corporation and they were saying how the recent deals to sell a couple casinos had left them in unusually good position going into this, and I just felt like things would be okay. Needless to say after she mentioned having a fever, my good mood is shot. It does no good telling myself this is nothing, because a part of me just won't believe it. Anyhow, I'm not looking for attention, I just need to express myself, and I wouldn't want to tell family and worry them if it (hopefully!!!) turns out to be nothing. It's just another example of how on edge we all are. I'll check in tomorrow, hopefully to say, oops, false alarm!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 07, 2020, 09:57:30 AM
Take care, Doug! I hope it will turn out to be a false alarm. No matter what, you can always come here and vent.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Aline on April 07, 2020, 12:52:53 PM
Hi everyone. Here in Brasil there not so many cases as the rest of the world. São Paulo is the more affected. Here in my city under 10 cases, the mayor has been very tight on the rules.
Staying at home never bothered me, I am used to do my things from here but not having the option of getting out and seeing the streets totally empty is so strange. :( 
Doug, I hope is nothing too much with your wife. KC I was so worried about you, please take care. Take care all of you.

What are you doing to keep busy?

What else? Books and movies :) I rewatched Firefox yesterday, I have always loved this movie.




Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Doug on April 07, 2020, 03:28:23 PM
My wife's fever went away by this morning. I'm affected by something and it feels like allergies, with that feeling in your throat like congestion, but even in the best of times I always worry about my lungs since I have mild COPD from those years when I smoked. But I do not have a fever. Strangely enough according to the thermometer my temperature is always low, 97-something degrees, and that's where it remains now. That's the most encouraging thing, no fever. I'll keep taking Allegra, and Mucinex has always helped in keeping my lungs clear. It has been pretty windy here and we've been walking the dog every day, so it would be no surprise if allergies are affecting me. I'm just glad my wife's fever went away. That was alarming. For now, I'm assuming this was a false alarm.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on April 07, 2020, 03:39:02 PM
Great news about your wife Doug... I’ve felt rough these past few days but I don’t think it’s the virus. Just a cold and it seems to be passing now.

Way to go Aline.. Firefox 👍
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 07, 2020, 07:04:41 PM
Doug, that is good news indeed! :)

Aline, it's good to hear from you. Stay well and stay safe, and do check in with us from time to time! 8)
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on April 10, 2020, 07:23:28 PM
Taken today during a break from work, just outside in the yard.  Happy Friday, hope you're all healthy, happy & safe.  Take care. 

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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on April 16, 2020, 05:41:21 PM
My brother has COVID! He has been feeling terrible for 10 days. He is a doctor and was treating COVID patients at the hospital and has all the symptoms. I talked to him today and he has lost 6 pounds in the past 10 days. Says he can't eat anything, has shortness of breath, a nasty cough, and chills keeping him up at night. He sounds terrible. I feel sad and worried for him! Of everyone in my life, I'm the closest to him, so he just has to be okay!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on April 16, 2020, 05:42:25 PM
Prayers for your brother, AKA. 🙏🙏


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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 16, 2020, 10:21:05 PM
I am so sorry to hear that, AKA! It's even harder knowing there is no way you can be physically close. I hope he will recover quickly!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on April 16, 2020, 11:35:55 PM
Oh man, I'm sorry AKA.  I have read too many stories about the doctors and nurses treating the ill and getting the virus. I hope he recovers quickly and completely. Keep us in the loop.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on April 17, 2020, 08:56:07 PM
My brother has COVID! He has been feeling terrible for 10 days. He is a doctor and was treating COVID patients at the hospital and has all the symptoms. I talked to him today and he has lost 6 pounds in the past 10 days. Says he can't eat anything, has shortness of breath, a nasty cough, and chills keeping him up at night. He sounds terrible. I feel sad and worried for him! Of everyone in my life, I'm the closest to him, so he just has to be okay!

Our thoughts and prayers to you, your brother and family at this time AKA.  :)
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on April 18, 2020, 12:04:45 AM
Hope your brother makes a quick and full recovery AKA...
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Doug on April 19, 2020, 01:26:06 AM
Damn, so sorry to hear that, AKA. I hope he's recovering. Remind him to make sure he does breathing exercises, no matter how painful it might be to breathe. Tell your brother we all admire his courage and dedication!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on April 19, 2020, 11:57:56 AM
Thanks everyone. Still waiting for the test results.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: -satu- on April 21, 2020, 06:05:32 AM
I'm to hear about AKA's brother. I hope he will recover soon.

Here, bars and restaurants are closed except for take out. It was recommended that all businesses that aren't absolutely essential would close their doors. It's just not that easy. I would get money from nowhere, if I closed my doors. I think I could manage a couple of weeks, if I got sick, but months would be impossible. So I'm staying open. I disinfect between every client and wear a mask and gloves, which I always do anyway. And of course my salon only takes one client at a time, some big salons have limited their client flows. And some are closed in the south. When not working, we're staying home. My husband can't work from home either. But we're healthy for the time being.

They did close down the capital are in the south for a while, only work travel allowed, to make the virus spread slower. I guess it helped. Sweden doesn't really have restrictions and the virus spreads fast, and a lot of dead during a shorter period of time. Time will tell which way was better of will the result be the same.

I'm not too afraid of the virus, all I hope is that my business survives. Of course we are making precautions, washing our hands etc. But I don't want to live in fear, even though I have my toddler to take care of.

Stay safe everyone  :-*
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on April 21, 2020, 02:30:38 PM
Satu, that must be so stressful for you. I hope your business is able to weather these challenges and emerge stronger on the other side! It is so good to hear from you.

My brother tested negative for the virus, but is still having shortness of breath when walking as little as down his stairs at home. This isn’t a common symptom of the cold or flu but is a symptom of the coronavirus, so the hospital he works at thinks it’s likely a false negative. They have told him to remain home at least until the end of the week. Then they will reassess. The test has a 30% false negative rate.

Hope everyone is staying safe!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 21, 2020, 05:05:48 PM
AKA, geez, 30% false negative ... not very reassuring to the rest of us, is it, when we're all hoping for so much from "more testing, more testing"? I hope your brother will recover quickly from whatever it is.

Satu, I would like to fly over and have you cut my hair! With the precautions you're taking, I would absolutely not hesitate to go in. And I really, really need a haircut! If it only weren't for that nasty airplane flight.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on April 22, 2020, 06:54:54 AM
KC, that was the first thing I thought of too, but there are many different tests, and I think some of them yield faster results and better accuracy.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on April 22, 2020, 09:34:17 AM
Sorry to hear about your brother AKA, that must be so frustrating as well as scary...

Satu, In the end I had to let my wife cut my hair.. actually not a bad job, tho it’s a bit Steve McQueen in Papillon 😀
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
I'm not minding the quarantine life. I'm more concerned about the country opening things back up too soon. I'm finding everything I need can be delivered (though I really do hate supporting Amazon, they are getting a big chunk of my online shopping dollars these days).  I had to go out for the first time in... I think it's been 6 weeks.  A tooth broke and I needed a root canal. My dentist has been seeing emergency patients so I was able to text him a picture and he set me up with his endodontist, who squeezed me in the very next day. I've gotta slink back out again in a week or so for a permanent crown, but other than these trips, I don't plan on going out again for a while.

AKA, I think your brother has the Corona. I hope he just treats it as that and stays away from everyone and hope he's better soon. 30% false negative is awful.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 24, 2020, 07:43:27 PM
I go out a few times a week. I can't lay in a big enough supply of the things I (think I) need. I wear a mask, use gloves, use whatever wipes/sanitizer the store supplies, avoid any aisles that have people in them as much as I can (NYC store aisles are NARROW), and try to rush by anyone I can't get far enough away from. When I get home I wash my hands and wash or wipe off whatever I've bought. And wash my hands some more. And some more. What, will these hands ne'er be clean?

Will all great Neptune’s ocean wash this virus
Clean from my hand? No, this my hand will rather
The multitudinous seas incarnadine,
Making the green one red. Or whatever color viruses are.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on April 24, 2020, 08:46:13 PM
Ouch, Matt, sorry to hear you had to have a root canal at any time, but especially at the moment. My dad spent the night in the hospital a couple days ago for a non-corona reason. Nobody was allowed to go see him, not even my mom. Not a great time to get sick or need some emergency dental care.

But it's going OK otherwise. When I was a kid I would have loved staying at home all the time. And it's not always bad now.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on April 25, 2020, 10:38:47 AM
I was wondering how we’d have coped if this had happened when I was a kid.... no Netflix, DVD’s, videos or PlayStation and only three
tv channels that all shut down by midnight... 😳
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 25, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
I was wondering how we’d have coped if this had happened when I was a kid.... no Netflix, DVD’s, videos or PlayStation and only three
tv channels that all shut down by midnight... 😳

We might have all sat around in a circle telling each other love stories:

https://daily.jstor.org/boccaccios-medicine/

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Waterhouse_decameron.jpg/640px-Waterhouse_decameron.jpg)

(It's OK, they're all living in the same house.)
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on April 25, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
How does everyone feel about getting a Movie Night to happen before everyone goes back to their normal busy lives? 

If we have a few who want to do it, should we do Richard Jewell, or one with Clint?
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on April 25, 2020, 08:03:34 PM
One with Clint, please! Just not one where he dies! :o
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on April 26, 2020, 12:03:02 AM
One with Clint, please! Just not one where he dies! :o

I think we can all use a little light-hearted fun right about now. I'm thinking The Gauntlet might hit the spot.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on April 26, 2020, 09:54:54 AM
I'm not minding the quarantine life. I'm more concerned about the country opening things back up too soon. I'm finding everything I need can be delivered (though I really do hate supporting Amazon, they are getting a big chunk of my online shopping dollars these days).  I had to go out for the first time in... I think it's been 6 weeks.  A tooth broke and I needed a root canal. My dentist has been seeing emergency patients so I was able to text him a picture and he set me up with his endodontist, who squeezed me in the very next day. I've gotta slink back out again in a week or so for a permanent crown, but other than these trips, I don't plan on going out again for a while.

AKA, I think your brother has the Corona. I hope he just treats it as that and stays away from everyone and hope he's better soon. 30% false negative is awful.

You hadn't been out in six weeks? Seriously? Not even to get groceries! I thought my life was bad!

I'd be interested in participating in a movie night.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on April 26, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
You hadn't been out in six weeks? Seriously? Not even to get groceries! I thought my life was bad!

I'd be interested in participating in a movie night.

I did go out nearly every day for a run, but other than that -- nope. Not even to get groceries.

I've set up the Movie Night thread -- check in here if you're interested in being social during quarantine with one of the funnest Eastwood films from the 70's, The Gauntlet:   http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=10960.0
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on April 27, 2020, 11:55:18 PM
I miss going out a lot.. pubs, restaurants, clubs and my weekly cinema visits.. I’m also seriously
missing being able to perform myself... All my gigs have been cancelled obviously and live music will
probably be amongst the last things to return to normal hitting my income hard..
But, on the plus side quarantining itself hasn’t been too bad... I’ve caught up on lots of reading, a ton of (Back breaking)
gardening and lots of drum practice which I’m quite enjoying... have reorganised by album collection and watching quite
a lot of quality tv ( inc Ricky Gervais Afterlife season 2) and movies.. I go out cycling a few times a week too..

I know there are many people in a lot tougher situations than myself, struggling with a lot worse so count myself
lucky really....
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: -satu- on May 01, 2020, 06:15:51 AM
Gant, KC,
You understood /remember wrong. I’m not a hair dresser. I’m a beautician, and I mostly do nailstuff. Some pedicures, permanent make-up, body sugaring, hand spa treatments, and hot stone massages.
Something good came with corona, I’ve had some extra time to practise my nail art. Just painted Winnie the Pooh, Tigger and Piglet. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200501/9321dc522e3ad806480110cc27cb2cfd.jpg)
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on May 01, 2020, 10:51:48 AM
Ah, sorry Satu, you're right ... I guess I am a little fixated on hair just now, since I need a haircut so badly!

Those Pooh nails are interesting! But I don't think they would do in a library setting. Though come to think if it ... The New York Public Library has the original stuffed animals from the original books, A.A. Milne's Winnie-the-Pooh and The House on Pooh Corner. Maybe our children's librarians would be interested in the nails!  :)

(https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2016/08/WTP-post-restoration.jpg)

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/new-york-public-library-original-winnie-pooh-doll-613085
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on May 01, 2020, 02:04:31 PM
That’s cool to see KC
Satu.... I gotsta ask .. what is Body sugaring.. ?
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on May 01, 2020, 08:54:56 PM
Satu, those are really good!

And that would be cool to see the original stuffed animals at the New York library!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: -satu- on May 01, 2020, 09:23:36 PM
That’s cool to see KC
Satu.... I gotsta ask .. what is Body sugaring.. ?

Same as waxing, hair removal, technique a bit different.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2020, 01:10:13 PM
How are things these days in NYC?

Is everyone back to work? How does everyone feel about the reopenings?

I've got mixed feelings. I understand people need to get back to work. The $1200 stimulus check isn't enough to force people to stay at home and not work, when there isn't rent/mortgage or even utility forgiveness. People need to feed their families. It's much more dire if you have kids to feed and no income, than it is to go back to work. Still, other countries have done a better job than the U.S. so that everything is put on hold until it's completely safe to reopen (which IMO won't be the case until there's a vaccine). So I'm watching the numbers like everyone else, waiting to see if they spike or not again. Here in TN, we've partially reopened and numbers did shoot up about 50% more than they had been. Still, I think TN has done a pretty good job of social distancing and glad we shut things down when we did. How are things in everyone else's area?

NOTE: I do not want this to go into a political discussion, and I'm not blaming any one person, more it's a failure of our entire capitalist society that we're not set up to take care of our citizens when there's a situation like this, and people have to choose between being at risk at their jobs, or safe at home but without food, utilities, etc. This isn't one politician's fault, and it's not one political party's fault. So I hope we can have this conversation without rearing off into politics and a blame game.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on May 24, 2020, 04:15:30 PM
All of my summer classes are online at least to begin with. I have one class that could meet again in the classroom in about a month (it'll start in about two weeks), but that could change. My other school is going to remain mostly online for the fall semester as well (except for the classes that require labs).

All the stores mark off spots to remind people to stay six feet apart, and I think for the most part people are following that. I have unfollowed a lot of people on facebook through all of this. ;) :D
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on May 24, 2020, 05:28:38 PM
I'm still working 100% from home, and have been since the crisis began. Where I live, we haven't yet reopened. I leave every couple of weeks to get groceries, and am still not going out much at all beyond that. When I do leave, I wear a scarf.

I am doing this mostly to protect the elderly and the chronically ill from the virus, not to protect myself. However, I really do believe that for the average person who is under 60 years old, the fear of contracting COVID is way out of proportion to the likely harm. The vast majority of people who have COVID will recover from it fine. They will not be hospitalized. They will not die. A third of those with COVID do not even have any symptoms. If you are older, or you have people in your family who are older, or you have a compromised immune system due to cancer, heart disease, diabetes, or if you have serious lung issues, you are at risk and should be staying inside as much as possible. If you are outside of these high risk groups, it is prudent to wear a mask to protect others,  to wash your hands frequently, to avoid large gatherings such as concerts, etc, but other than that, you should not have a fear of COVID because it will likely not be that serious for you even if you do get it.

There are obviously going to be outliers. Someone can point to a guy with no chronic conditions at 40 who died, but these are outliers for a reason. They are extremely unlikely to happen on a per person basis. Children are also statistically unlikely to be seriously impacted by COVID. They have a much lower infection rate than adults and almost no children have died. There is a syndrome that appears to be quite rare that is causing rashes that can happen in children, but again, it doesn't appear to be a very common condition, so if you are a child, or have young children, I wouldn't worry out of proportion to the harm about them getting COVID.

I think the country as a whole, on a political and institutional level, and the medical system more broadly, should be taking COVID seriously, and we should all be trying to make precautions, mostly to protect others, but I wish that more people made decisions based on evidence and not based on irrational fears based on lack of knowledge and hysteria.

As for reopening, I think that that should be done on a regional basis rather than state by state, since there are areas of the countries that have very little COVID, and there are areas that are heavily impacted, and since people do travel to neighboring states, there needs to be a regional policy because if different governors within the same region make different decisions, they will not be able to control the spread of COVID in their states.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on May 24, 2020, 05:28:58 PM
The purpose of the lockdowns was sound. That was to avoid overwhelming the hospital system and to avoid running out of ventilators to treat hospitalized patients. It was never to prevent all deaths from COVID by shutting the country down indefinitely, since in medicine, that is never really possible. Even with the lockdowns in place, we've had almost 100K people die of COVID. Like most diseases, the burden of those deaths falls on the elderly, those who are chronically ill, or those with compromised immune systems.

I think it might be time to start thinking about reopening safely, with restrictions, because the country cannot handle 40 million people being unemployed, and that will continue unless reopening happens. These decisions should not be made on the basis of political considerations, but on evidence, and on balancing the harms that result from the shutdowns with the harms that will result from more people contracting COVID. The economic, personal, the mental health consequences, and yes, the loss of life that will result when the country opens back up. But, we have to remember, it is impossible to prevent all losses of life from COVID, and the country may never be completely safe from COVID. We cannot afford the personal or economic consequences of shutting the country down for 18 months while we wait for a vaccine that may, or may not, ever come.

I wish we were doing more to educate the population about who is at risk of being hospitalized from COVID, or dying, and encouraged those groups to quarantine themselves, but for the rest of the population, as long as you are not in an area where COVID is exploding, I think we should start allowing people to live more normal lives. I personally won't go to a restaurant or a movie theater anytime soon, but that does not mean that I wouldn't do other things. I am looking forward to the country starting to get back to normal because if we don't the costs in lives and in livelihoods will be worse than the actual consequences of COVID 19. If I were in charge of health policy in this country, I would be analyzing the hospital records of those who have been hospitalized from COVID. I'd use that data to develop risk profiles of the types of people who are likely to be hospitalized or die. I would then engage in a media campaign that educated the population on this, and would encourage those which the data show are likely to be hospitalized to protect themselves by quarantining themselves as much as possible. I would then encourage those who the data shows were likely not to need hospitalization to live more normal lives while employing social distancing safety precautions. I think that's the way forward.

I also agree with Matt that this crisis has really shone a very bright light on the fragile nature of our economic system. It is simply unacceptable for people who are not working for a few weeks to be completely unable to pay their bills, or that there is a vast disparity between the rich and the poor regarding who can access COVID 19 testing. We need a much stronger social safety net than we have in this country, and I hope that our political leaders learn that lesson so that we will be better prepared for the next crisis. The fact that millions of people in this country are one paycheck away from financial collapse is unacceptable.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2020, 06:28:01 PM
I agree with everything AKA said.

(It's super hard to discuss lack of education about COVID19 without going into anything political. I feel our news coverage/education and politics are very intertwined)
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on May 24, 2020, 10:32:05 PM
Just so you know ... in New York City almost nothing is open yet, though reopening may start in a couple of weeks. Governor Cuomo is allowing different parts of the state to open when they meet certain metrics, including having an adequate hospital capacity in case of a new surge, having adequate testing available and having enough contact tracers trained and ready to go. Several upstate regions have already hit the marks and are starting "Phase I" of the reopening. There are four phases. Through all of them officials have to keep a close watch on the metrics and be prepared to scale back in case of a greater-than-expected rise in the numbers. The reopening started on May 15, and apparently, so far, so good. But as I said, New York City isn't there yet.

AKA, that newly uncovered "syndrome that appears to be quite rare that is causing rashes that can happen in children" is a bit more alarming than that. It causes more than rashes ... several children have died, and others have been close to death. And we don't know that it's "quite rare," or if it's just that it's so newly recognized that few cases have come to light so far. At any rate, at its worst, it sounds like something no parent would want their child to go through even if it doesn't prove fatal; see this story for one teenager's experience: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/17/health/coronavirus-multisystem-fnflammatory-syndrome-children-teenagers.html

I agree that it's important to get things restarted, if it can be done carefully and with adequate planning and with adequate care to make it as safe as possible. We can't go on indefinitely with so many people deprived of a livelihood. Trying very hard to avoid politics here, but it's been pointed out that some European countries, instead of sending a one-time "stimulus check" and then handing out vast amounts of loans that were supposed to help small business so they could hire workers back when this is over (but in reality often went to large corporations in, shall we say, less than dire need of the money) ... instead of that, I say, some countries simply paid employers to go on paying their workers, so they didn't get laid off, didn't have to file for unemployment, and ... I was going to say, didn't lose their health insurance in the midst of a pandemic, but of course most European workers don't have to worry about that anyway.

What AKA is proposing sounds a bit like the Swedish approach. Alone among western European countries, they never had a full shutdown. Instead, those in the most susceptible groups were told to stay at home as much as possible, while the young and healthy more or less went about business as usual, with some precautions in place. With the result that they had a per capita death rate of something like three times what it was in the neighboring Scandinavian countries.

There are problems with the "Swedish approach" even if it worked better. How do you suppose it feels to be in a group that needs to be "quarantining itself as much as possible" while others go about business as usual? By the way, that would include both the presumed candidates for President this year. It also might include more people than you'd think; one report says that risk for hospitalization in case of infection jumps up at age 51 (thus including my state's governor). Many people in this age group are productively working and represent an important part of the economy. And even if they do want to "quarantine themselves," they still need things like food and medicine. It's not always that easy to arrange for everything to be brought to your door (in this city, some people were experiencing weekslong waits when trying to arrange to have groceries delivered).

Just my thoughts on this mess, as of tonight.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on May 25, 2020, 05:10:18 AM
Glad NY is following the evidence and doing a phased reopening, and I do think that Governor Cuomo is being thoughtful about this.

I think that what I'm talking about is similar to Sweden, but I don't think it's clear at all yet that Sweden had the right approach initially. Just because after months of quarantining we may have to start acting more like Sweden, it doesn't necessarily follow that their approach would have been best to respond to this crisis initially. Sweden's statistics are not crystal clear either. They do have a higher per capita death rate than neighboring countries, but they have a lower death rate than countries like Italy and Spain that imposed complete lockdowns. However, even Sweden's approach doesn't appear to have prevented the economic damage within their country that COVID has caused.

It is more likely than not, based on what we know now, that the syndrome in children is quite rare. Out of 5.4 million cases worldwide, there are statistically not many children with the inflammatory syndrome. It is likely with that many cases, if it were to be more common, we would have seen it in greater numbers by now, but KC is right that we don't know everything about that disease. Children have a 2% COVID infection rate. Out of 360,000 COVID cases in New York, 147 children have been found to have this inflammatory syndrome and, I think, 3 children have died, and like adults, the children that are struggling appear to have multiple underlying health conditions. Compare this to the personal and societal consequences of shutting all the schools down. Is this a proportional response?

I worry that the longer that NYC schools are shut down, the more poor kids are going to fall behind more affluent children or those from better educated families. Poor children already have a huge achievement gap when it comes to learning, and I don't think that poor children can afford to fall even further behind because of COVID. I have some friends who do come from more educated families, and even they say they are unable to teach their children during the lockdown and that many of them are simply not learning during this time, yet we've shut all the schools down when 98% of those who contract COVID are adults. Again, it is possible that the 2% of children could give the disease to adults that they live with, but when you balance that against the life-altering consequences of having no education in many parts of this country, which is the greater harm? Could we not keep the schools open, periodically test the staff, and isolate those who tested positive for COVID instead?

The inflammatory disease is serious and I agree with KC that if I were a parent, I wouldn't want my child to have it. Mentioning the rash was a reference point so that people would be able to quickly understand what I was referring to. It wasn't an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the condition itself.

These are really tough decisions, but I wish that in the media we were having these conversations, and we're really not. Showing an up to the second countdown on the screen 24 hours a day of how many people are contracting COVID and dying is not educating the public about the disease and weighing the consequences of our chosen response, and I think that's what we should be doing as a society.

The response to this crisis on the part of our leaders has not been good. They underestimated the scale of the crisis and therefore didn't plan for it. I hope we do better next time, and I agree that a lot of the money that has been spent hasn't stemmed the tide of the damage, and that it likely would have been better to make direct payments to vulnerable individuals for a longer period of time than it was to prop up large corporations who likely should have been able to secure other sources of funding to manage the economic impact of the crisis.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on June 02, 2020, 12:13:38 AM
One of my favorite podcast hosts recently put current events as this: It's like if you took the Spanish Flu, intersect it with the Great Depression, add in post-King Assassination level riots, add some Vietnam (or Iraq) war, and heap on a big dose of climate change. He forgot to mention the murder hornets. We've made it to June. Welcome to Level 6 of Jumangi.

We are living through historic times. It's tough to see our cities burning: Minneapolis, Washington, New York, Philly, Nashville, LA, Chicago, Atlanta, Portland, Louisville, and so many more. We've felt the hate growing for a decade now, and increasingly getting worse over the past few years. We've seen it on social media, and it's been hard and alarming to see such little ability to have discussions anymore without losing friendships just for having disagreements. In a nutshell, I'll just say there's too much hate in the world, and that breaks my heart. There's less faith and trust in our leaders, at every level of our government, and that's lead us here. And it's not looking like any of that is going to change any time soon.  Hope everyone here is holding up okay.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on July 11, 2020, 10:09:48 AM
Check in and let us know how things are going where you live.

Nashville has spiked and we just broke a record for the most # of new COVID cases in one day. When traveling out of state, Tennesseeans in some states have to shelter in place for 14 days before going out in public. We finally have a mandatory mask order in place, so hopefully this will help. Meanwhile, according to headlines all over the country, I'm convinced the country has lost its mind and that hate and intolerance has eaten away at the our society to the point where we are no longer judged by who we are, but what we are, which cannot ever be changed.

Hope everyone is keeping positive and staying healthy.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on August 13, 2020, 07:58:17 AM
My favorite quarantine jam so far -- this goes back to April, but I just saw it today.

https://www.youtube.com/v/aQrR_bhCK1w
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on August 27, 2020, 11:34:20 PM
Played my last gig here in London back in March... that feels so long ago. This is the longest I?ve ever gone without performing
and there?s still no sign of it returning... 
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on September 05, 2020, 09:36:33 PM
A friend forwarded a bunch of Covid "humor" memes, most of which go back to the early days of the pandemic, when we could still see humor in it. I hadn't seen this one before now, however:

(https://i.imgur.com/aBvSEu8.png)
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on September 06, 2020, 10:03:30 PM
Lol... that?s cool.
I wonder what Clint?s up too... planning hard for future projects, or slipping easily into retirement.. the former I hope.   
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on September 08, 2020, 10:43:08 PM
Social gatherings indoors and outdoors over 6 to be banned in the Uk from Sept 14.
This will be enforced by the police.. and steep fines dished out to those that break the new rule..
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on September 08, 2020, 11:05:19 PM
Everything's opening up again here in TN -- indoor dining included. A friend of mine in PA when to a concert tonight at a local county fair.  I guess people got tired of there being a pandemic, so it's ... just not a thing anymore.   ::)

I can relate to the Clint meme.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on September 09, 2020, 12:58:29 AM
We were opening up here but with a sharp rise in cases the government is imposing stricter restrictions again...
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on September 09, 2020, 08:12:00 AM
I began working in the office again this week.  Feels a little strange.  Doing Tues-Thurs on a trial basis for a while.  So far, so good. 

I hope you?re all doing well.

Take care and stay safe. 🙂


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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on September 22, 2020, 01:03:14 AM
Covid cases on the rise here... new, stricter lockdown measures being re introduced..
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on November 18, 2020, 04:57:38 PM
Same here, Gant. I'm actually in Chicago now, and businesses haven't been closed, but there's a stay-at-home order, so make any sense of that, if you can. I am guessing the local government is just trying to not have to pay businesses any remedies for closing them down, but they're taking away their customers instead. Very few people on the trains, no indoor seating at restaurants (and much too cold here now to eat outside).

It looks like a vaccine is just a few weeks away.  Let's hope distribution is well thought-out and that we can put all this behind us soon.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on November 18, 2020, 07:44:10 PM
Matt, you've moved to Chicago, or is this a vacation of some kind? What are you doing there?

I'm really struggling. I'm still finding all the social isolation to be pretty damn horrible. I wish there was something to give me an emotional boost, but there just isn't. Not seeing anyone for months at a time and leaving my place to go run an errand once a week or every two weeks is just really difficult. I'm thankful that I still have a job and have been able to work from home for the entirety of the pandemic, but beyond that, things are pretty bleak. I don't really have any friends in the DC area, and so if I'm not at work, I don't see anyone, and being on Zoom meetings isn't the same at all. I think the pandemic has actually reinforced the loneliness I already experienced, but at a much more intense level and with no real solution. To make matters worse, I have 17 work vacation days that I need to use  by the end of the year, or I'll lose them, and I can't really see myself using them with COVID. I have nowhere to go. I asked a few people if I could come visit and they said no, and I can't take a vacation during COVID. It feels unsafe, and I've been so diligent about trying to protect others from the virus during all this time that I don't really want to completely give up on that now when cases are rising just because I'm tiring of all the isolation.

The vaccine news is definitely a bright spot. Assuming the preliminary reports are accurate, the 90-95% efficacy is much higher than I was anticipating. I think the Pfizer vaccine is going to have limited utility and uptake because of its extreme refrigeration requirements that most facilities don't have, but the Moderna vaccine doesn't seem to require the same refrigeration levels, so I'm hopeful that that may have a wider applicability. It would be better to have a one shot administration rather than two because a lot of people may not do the full course, especially if they experience even mild side effects from the first dose. I think it's quite possible, if enough people take the vaccine, that we could be starting to live something closer to normal life over the summer, since after they start giving it to people, it's going to take quite awhile before we reach the vaccination percentage threshold to bring about herd immunity. That's still at least 7 months months away, and that's a best case scenario.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on November 19, 2020, 05:13:13 PM
Matt, you've moved to Chicago, or is this a vacation of some kind? What are you doing there?

Just helping a friend through a tough time. I'll be back in TN soon.

Title: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on November 28, 2020, 04:51:11 PM
Hi there.  I hope everybody is doing well.  Not sure if I've mentioned this, but in September I moved back to Malden.  I decided to do this because I wanted to be closer to my kids again.  While Tina understood, she decided to end our relationship.  That's a nice way of saying she broke up with me.  Oh well, her loss.  8)

Just kidding....a little.  8) I didn't ask her to come with me for two reasons.  The first being she enjoys living in New Hampshire too much for me to ask her to leave.  The second is because it's something I had to do alone.  I've learned that I probably shouldn't have even moved in the first place.  Well, I'm not going to beat myself up over past mistakes and bad judgment.  The best thing to do is to try to improve and move forward.  Endeavor to persevere, you know?  Something I've been attempting here as well, for years.

As a result of the move, I've been working in the office again.  If not for having to undergo learning a new system recently implemented, I'd go back to working from home.  Like everyone else here, I'm sure, I can't wait for this pandemic to be in the rear view mirror, a thing of the past.  Like my separation and divorce.

My cousin invited me to spend Thanksgiving and my birthday with him and his family.  I had a great time and am now back home for the rest of the weekend.  I should be closing on the sale of my property in Maine next month, finally. 

I was fortunate to visit with my kids over the summer, outside where they live.  I would bring us all something to eat and we?d play afterwards.  My moving has had a positive effect on them and I thank God for that.  There had been difficulties prior my return and that was a difficult, stressful thing to endure. 

Unfortunately, with the pandemic rearing it's ugly head again, we've had to resort to video visits until the numbers go down again.  So, I'll weather this storm too, all the while saying prayers and crossing my fingers. 

I do that for all of you, too.  Let me say what I have felt all along here:  I care about you all and wish you nothing but the best.  I consider it an honor and a privilege to be here and interact as a member and Eastwood fan. 

Please, everybody, Take Care and Stay Safe.  Lets make it through these crazy times together!!

🙂
 




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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on December 27, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
I?m determined to come out of this with something to show for it....
I?ve thrown myself into drum practice, specifically Jazz drumming...at least an hour a day, sometimes more and
I?m really feeling the benefit... I?ve no idea when I?ll be able to return to performing again but I?m quietly surprised how I?m able
to improve  technique, speed etc at my age 😊
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on December 28, 2020, 10:09:04 AM
I'm just seeing your post, Jed. It sounds like this has been a time of tremendous change for you, which can be very hard, but which also may present you with new opportunities. It's very nice that you are now closer to your children, and I hope that your relationship will continue to get better now that you'll have the opportunity to re-establish those bonds of connection. I'm sorry to hear of the end of your relationship, and I hope your sacrifice pays off!

Grant, it's great that you are spending the time to hone and get better at drumming and seeking to turn this challenging time into something more positive!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on December 30, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
Thanks AKA23... Im really enjoying it...
Im also catching up with a lot of reading and trying to improve my chess playing..

I?d be interested to hear what everyone else is doing with all this down time...
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 02, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
A couple of weeks before Christmas we all but gotten rid of the virus here in Australia. The only infections were people coming back from overseas and its mandatory for them to hotel isolate for two weeks on their return.

Things looked like it would be a normal Christmas, then bang!! A flight crew member from the USA flight brought the virus back in. For some stupid reason flight crew members didnt have to isolate only passengers. Anyway, everyone's Xmas plans went out the window as the state borders got closed and restrictions were brought back in with how many people you can have in your home etc.

We're not in total lockdown like at the beginning of this pandemic and hopefully things won't get that bad again but it looks like we're a long way from getting back to life as we once knew it, if we ever will?
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on January 02, 2021, 06:25:04 PM
How's the vaccination situation Down Under, SK?
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on January 05, 2021, 10:15:14 AM
Thanks, AKA.  Yes, things are going well.  I was unexpectedly introduced to a nice woman Christmas Day over dinner.  We hit it off and have been talking and seeing each other regularly.  Her name is Cydney.  The attraction is not only physical but, most importantly, intellectual.  We enjoy each other?s company and have even begun watching the Dirty Harry movies together.  I love how things are with Nicholas & Nina and can?t wait to be able to spend more time together when this pandemic passes.

Sorry to hear about the setback, SK!  I?m crossing my fingers it won?t last and that you?ll be back on track soon. 

My thoughts and prayers are with you all as we continue to endure.  I believe we?ll all endeavor to persevere. 🙂


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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 05, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
How's the vaccination situation Down Under, SK?

Still six months away I reckon.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on January 05, 2021, 03:34:07 PM
Vaccinations rolling out here now with 1.3 million having had the jab, but my youthfulness will mean Im a long way down the list..
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on January 05, 2021, 11:20:18 PM
Still six months away I reckon.

Why such a long wait? Or do you mean for you personally?
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 05, 2021, 11:50:49 PM
Why such a long wait? Or do you mean for you personally?

None of the vaccines have been approved yet. I think the government is waiting to see results from the UK and USA first before committing to millions of doses. With such low numbers and deaths compared to the rest of the world, we?re not rushing into anything unproven.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on January 06, 2021, 11:54:07 AM
Ah, I see. Makes sense.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Aline on January 15, 2021, 07:39:52 AM
Hi everyone. I thought I'd drop by to share my b-day on past wednesday. It was the first time I "broke" quarantine rules, it was just me and four close friends and we took all the cares. We have lived in a crazy, crazy world and being alive and healthy is a true blessing. I cant believe I am almost 50! When I first joined here I was so young and naive. Many of you are still here too, amazing.
Stay well, be safe.

(https://i.imgur.com/yKjksoi.jpg)   (https://i.imgur.com/EHIp3eN.jpg?2)


   
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on January 15, 2021, 10:10:18 AM
Happy belated birthday, Aline!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: KC on January 15, 2021, 10:21:06 AM
Happy belated birthday, Aline! You look wonderful in those pictures. I hope you and your friends will all stay safe and well!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Aline on January 15, 2021, 10:44:00 AM
Thank you so much, Chris! :)

Thank you, KC. You always so kind to me :smitten:
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on January 15, 2021, 10:48:11 AM
Happy Birthday! 🎈🎁🎊🎉🎂


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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Aline on January 15, 2021, 11:02:18 AM
Hey, Jed! Obrigada! O0
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Jed Cooper on January 15, 2021, 02:24:23 PM
De nada 🙂


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Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 15, 2021, 02:27:41 PM
Happy belated birthday Aline.

Hope you had a great day!! 😎😎
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on January 15, 2021, 02:35:29 PM
Happy Birthday, Aline. Those are some nice photos. Looks like you had fun!
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Aline on January 15, 2021, 03:00:08 PM
Thank you, SK! ;)

Thank you, AKA! Yes, it was great fun, it had been a whole year without seeing my friends ;)
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on January 15, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
Happy Birthday Aline... hope you had a f@ntastic day.. great pics too..

and 50 ain?t so bad 😉🍻
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Aline on January 16, 2021, 10:45:50 AM
Thank you, Gant! :)

That's right, it is just a number. Look at Clint in his 90s and still kicking! ^-^
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on January 23, 2021, 10:46:47 AM
The best is yet to come 😊
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on July 11, 2021, 11:13:28 PM
Had my first Pfizer vaccine jab today. Second one will be in 3 weeks. We?re in lockdown here again after a spike in cases. It?s been two weeks although up until last Friday most people kept going about their business and didn?t take it seriously.

Because of that, lockdown will probably last until the end of the month at the earliest.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on July 11, 2021, 11:16:32 PM
I?ve had both jabs... were set to come out of lockdown next week. Some people think that?s good and others not.
Infection rate is going up but hospitalisation still manageable... we?ll see I guess..
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Christopher on July 14, 2021, 03:41:47 PM
Pretty much all restrictions are lifted where I am, but there is some concern for the new covid variant that's going around.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on July 15, 2021, 05:16:52 PM
Are there a lot of anti vaccine people in the u.s and Europe? We seem to have a lot here in Australia. It baffles me with some of their claims about vaccines.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on July 22, 2021, 11:14:34 AM
Yes. It's surprising that this pandemic had to become so political. Trump probably would have won re-election if not for COVID. Biden won just by hiding out and wearing a mask when he went out in public. When you have as much political hostility as we have now in the U.S., and the politicians and press divide the masses between the "good" and the "bad" depending on if you get vaccinated or wear masks, there's going to be resistance. Then you have Biden out there saying people on Facebook are "killing people" for even just discussing side effects from the (non-FDA approved) vaccine.

I got the vaccine as soon as I was able. I completely understand anyone not wanting to take it. I don't worry about them, because I'm vaccinated. At least for now, what we hear is vaccinated CAN get COVID, but it's mild, and people aren't dying or being admitted to the hospital. So if everyone who wants the vaccine gets it, they shouldn't worry about who isn't vaccinated. Then maybe when all this ridiculous political BS dies down a bit, hold-outs will get the vaccine too.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on July 22, 2021, 06:14:10 PM
It is tragic that the vaccine has become so politicized. I agree with Matt on that. In my opinion, however, concern about vaccine side effects for most people is tremendously misguided. The perceived harms are wildly out of proportion to the actual observable, proven harms. I've never fully understood the huge vaccine hesitancy movement in general, separate and apart from COVID vaccination. It seems like the concerns for most people are not really founded on evidence. You are orders of magnitude more likely to die of a hospital acquired infection such as MRSA than you are of a vaccine. That is among the top ten leading causes of death in the US in some of the studied years. People die every single year from complications from routine surgeries, but few people choose not to get routine surgery that is recommended by their doctor due to concerns about complications. You are much more likely to be hospitalized for internal bleeding from taking aspirin than the vanishingly small number of people who suffered complications due to inflammation resulting in hospitalization or death caused by a vaccine. A few hundred young women had blood clot complications out of many millions given the JJ vaccine, which may or may not have been caused by the vaccine. But do you know what causes a much higher risk of blot clots in women? Birth control pills. There are many more blood clots that are caused by women taking birth control every year than in people who took the vaccine yet almost everyone still uses birth control. In every medication, there is a little poison. With every procedure, there is risk of something going wrong. What matters is comparing the likelihood of benefit to the presence of the risk. That's how medicine functions, and it always will. There will never be a 100% safe vaccine or medication. There will always be a remote possibility that some may be harmed by any vaccine, or any medication, but the very people that are often irrationally worried about the vaccine side effects are often the very same people who would be at much greater risk from severe complications from COVID or even death that the vaccine would protect them against. Pfizer and Moderna appear to be even safer than JJ, and more effective.

Also, it's simply not true that we don't need to worry about the unvaccinated because if everyone who wants the vaccine got it, then the society would be protected. We cannot reach herd immunity with 30-40% of the population not getting vaccinated, and in some areas, vaccination rates are much lower than that. We will need more of the unvaccinated to become vaccinated for us to have a realistic possibility of societal protection from COVID, and with travel resuming eventually, if we don't have consistent levels of vaccination worldwide, the US will be at risk of a resurgence or a mutation of COVID that may be resistant to the vaccines. The biggest mistake the Biden administration made is not requiring proof of vaccination or a vaccine passport as a condition to remove masks indoors. Since there is no way to verify, one of the reasons that COVID is growing is because many of the unvaccinated are choosing not to wear masks and pretending they have been vaccinated because there's no way to determine who has been vaccinated and who has not been. That never made any sense from the standpoint of public health.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on July 22, 2021, 10:47:29 PM
I got the vaccine.. Pretty much all restrictions are lifted here and tonight I play my first proper indoor concert
since March 2020?.

I know someone who worked closely on the vaccination for over a year and a close family member has worked
on a Covid hospital ward this past year.. I didn?t hesitate in getting the jab. 
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on July 23, 2021, 10:08:12 AM
I will always support people's health decisions being free of government intervention. This includes assisted suicide, abortions, and vaccinations. Everyone should make their own health decisions for their own body. Period.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on July 24, 2021, 06:42:58 AM
I will always support people's health decisions being free of government intervention. This includes assisted suicide, abortions, and vaccinations. Everyone should make their own health decisions for their own body. Period.

Whether the vaccine should be mandated or whether people should retain the freedom to choose to get it or not is a worthwhile and thought provoking discussion to have, but it?s not what I?m talking about. My main thesis is that many of the unvaccinated seem to be disproportionately worried about what is likely to be a lower risk treatment that for almost everyone will pose no actual threat, while most people are much less concerned, based on their behavior, about medical choices that are statistically much more likely to harm them and which pose a much greater risk to their health. As someone who did get vaccinated, do you agree or disagree with that, Matt? What does everyone else think? I?d love to hear more perspectives on this.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Matt on July 24, 2021, 10:51:12 AM
I don't really agree. A lot of people who aren't getting vaccinations have already had COVID. Their natural immune system is giving them the protections that the vaccine would, but the vaccine is more likely to cause them to be very ill than those who haven't been vaccinated. So trying to shame/force these people to get vaccinated so they can fly, work, etc., is ridiculous.

I watched Matt Damon's video yesterday, and find it ridiculous. So he has friends who are immunocompromised and can't get the vaccine, therefore, hae wants everyone else to get vaccinated so we reach herd immunity. Welllll.... a lot of the people who aren't getting vaccinated also have good health-related reasons not to. I have a good friend who is older, in her 70's, and due to extreme allergies cannot take any of the 3. I did discuss J&J with her, thinking it would be safer, but her doctor told her to not even risk that.

This conversation is ridiculous. Let everyone make their own health decisions. If you're vaccinated, you're safe from a serious case of COVID. I don't see why anyone is worried if they're already vaccinated.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 12, 2021, 10:28:47 PM
What?s been the situation in the rest of the world when you get out of lockdown, If you?re not fully vaccinated are you denied entry to pubs, clubs, restaurants etc? We?re due to come out of lockdown in mid October with full vaccination at 70%. Just curious if there?s been lawsuits by people not vaccinated if they?ve been denied entry to a venue?
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 03, 2021, 10:27:53 PM
One more week of lockdown. October 11 restrictions start to ease as we will have 70% Double vaccinated. It?s been since the end of June. Haven?t been to a cafe or restaurant, haven?t played golf in all that time. More restrictions will ease about two weeks after that then on December 1 all remaining restrictions will be lifted.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: AKA23 on October 04, 2021, 03:03:28 PM
What?s been the situation in the rest of the world when you get out of lockdown, If you?re not fully vaccinated are you denied entry to pubs, clubs, restaurants etc? We?re due to come out of lockdown in mid October with full vaccination at 70%. Just curious if there?s been lawsuits by people not vaccinated if they?ve been denied entry to a venue?

I just was reviewing this thread and saw no one responded to this SK. I live in Maryland, and in my county, we still have a mask mandate indoors, but to my knowledge, at least for restaurants and the like, there is no vaccination requirement, and broadly throughout the US, there is no universal vaccine passport that needs to be routinely presented to enter certain venues.

Individual businesses and the companies that host events and the like may have a vaccination requirement for their employees, or a negative testing requirement before being able to enter certain venues, such as concerts and the like, but that isn't a government policy, but a business decision the individual companies may make. The government has implemented a vaccination requirement for federal government employees, and per the Biden administration, there will soon be a requirement for businesses to require COVID vaccination for businesses that employ 100 or more employees.

Although I have not been out of the country, if you do leave the country, you do need to take a COVID test and test negative within, I think 3 days, before you will be able to allowed entry back into the United States, even if you are a US citizen.

Hang in there SK through these restrictions. We will be thinking of you. Things are definitely getting better here, but we still have a long way to go to reach any kind of herd immunity in the US.
Title: Re: How's everyone holding up?
Post by: Gant on October 05, 2021, 12:55:01 AM
Here in London things are pretty much back to normal.. still required to where masks on the subway and in some shops. Some people
are still wearing them out and about but many are not. At the moment there are no requirements to be fully vaccinated before entering
night clubs, restaurants or bars etc? but that could still be on the cards for the future..
Sporting events are back to full spectator capacity?

I?ve been back performing a while now and audience numbers are back where they were pre pandemic?

It?s petrol we are struggling with at the moment? there?s a big shortage of delivery drivers so garages are running out fast. Large
queues forming anywhere there is some available..