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Title: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 05:53:55 PM
This is a companion thread to the "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot Gay/No Way Debate".  It was started by bdc28 and I'm bringing it over to this board, now that the T&L thread is here.  I hope everyone enjoys it...  :)
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 05:55:53 PM
Originally posted by bdc28, 05-21-2002 08:30 AM      
As we are all Eastwood zealots, and all more than likely own DIRTY HARRY, here will be our happy homework....

IS THERE GAY SUBTEXT IN DIRTY HARRY? We have all seen the long THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT debate, so I figure lets do this one for fun.   :)

Any and all subtext will be considered and reviewed as per members of the CEBC (which would be me and Matt, yeah Im draggin you into this one too bud).

This includes any use of the word "will" to predict the coming of the show "WILL AND GRACE".

 :) ....aint I a stinker?

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"Has anyone ever told you that you have a SERIOUS IMPULSE CONTROL PROBLEM??!",-Jim Carrey as THE RIDDLER.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 05:57:14 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-21-2002 08:36 AM      
Oh no.......!

 ;D

Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 05:58:29 PM
Originally posted by bdc28, 05-21-2002 08:44 AM      
Well, I should start it, since it was my idea.

"Where's the girl?" (Harry asks Scorpio on the football field). Harry is openly hostile about there being a girl involved between his and Scorpio's relationship. He knows the killings were Scorpio's way of getting Harry's attention.

44. Magnum....a LARGE phallic figure.

"Well for the last ...minutes Ive been sitting on my ass in your office" (paraphrasing, Harry speaking to the mayor). Harry loving to reference his backside whenever speaking to figures of authority.

"Because he looks too damn good thats why" (Harry about Scorpio's beating)...this shows Harry's obvious but latent attraction towards Scorpio.

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"Has anyone ever told you that you have a SERIOUS IMPULSE CONTROL PROBLEM??!",-Jim Carrey as THE RIDDLER.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 05:59:47 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-21-2002 08:55 AM
Don't forget Harry's mouth full of hotdog during the bank robbery scene, and Scorpio's fetish with S & M (having to pay Clarence for it, since Harry's beating wasn't sufficient).

I think I'll stop there and sneak out of here....

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:00:59 PM
Originally posted by 618, 05-21-2002 10:09 AM      
No, damn it! There's no gay subtext in this movie. The only Eastwood movie that has a gay subtext in it is "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot." At least, it had the last time I looked at the thread. Keep this up and I'm gonna sick Hammer on you!

Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:02:13 PM
Originally posted by bdc28, 05-21-2002 10:16 AM      
ROTFL @ 618

Oh come on 618, dont be in denial!! *giggle*. They are as blatant as the nose on your face.

"I know what your thinking..did he fire six shots or five". Are we going to BLATANTLY ignore the subtext in this? This is a subliminal statement of "I am alpha male and can do it multiple times".

When the camera fades off, and Harry is standing on Scorpios leg on the football field, the gun is "inadvertently" pointing towards Scorpios butt. Does this need anything more? THIS SCENE COULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT OUT OF OZ!! (well, that and Scorpio's screaming at having a REAL MAN on top of him)

DISCLAIMER: ANYONE WHO IS VAGUELY THINKING ABOUT TAKING THIS THREAD SERIOUSLY SHOULD SLOWLY TAKE THE POWER CORD OUT OF THEIR COMPUTER, AND PUT IT BACK IN THE BOX. IT IS DOING YOU NO GOOD. PLEASE GET OUT MORE.

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"Has anyone ever told you that you have a SERIOUS IMPULSE CONTROL PROBLEM??!",-Jim Carrey as THE RIDDLER.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:04:35 PM
Originally posted by Red, 05-21-2002 10:59 AM      
Then there is Harry's eagerness to remove his pants in front of the Intern while having the shotgun pellets removed from his leg.

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Improvise, adapt, overcome
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:05:46 PM
Originally posted by 618,05-21-2002 11:46 AM      
It's my opinion that he arranged that robbery ahead of time so he could get his leg hit by a shotgun blast in order to be able to remove his pants in front of the intern. That's why the Warner execs didn't want this in the film. Maybe we'll be able to see this when they release the full version with Eastwood's and the intern's commentaries.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:07:01 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-21-2002 12:03 PM  
I think Bill McKinney would've been great as Scorpio - what do you think?

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:11:11 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-21-2002 12:07 PM      
Oh! ...and we musn't forget Alice in the park. I can't believe no one mentioned such a pivotal point in the movie! Who dares lay out the subtext in that scene??

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:12:18 PM
Originally posted by 618, 05-21-2002 12:49 PM      
Wasn't that Bill McKinney playing the part of Alice? I thought he was another of the uncredited actors in the film?
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:13:29 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-21-2002 01:00 PM      
I believe he was originally scheduled to play the part of "Alice," but his services were needed for Deliverance at the last minute.

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:15:01 PM
Originally posted by 618, 05-21-2002 02:43 PM
web page (http://www.skyhighpictureshow.com/dirtyharry.htm)
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:18:37 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-21-2002 03:08 PM      
Interesting. He (the author of the article) did mention something I never pondered - that Scorpio's gay. He seemed absolutely sure of it, but I've always thought of Scorpio as more of an asexual type of person, hating everybody, respecter of neither sex. He had no problem getting ready to knock off the black gay guy before being rudely interrupted by the police helicopter, so I wouldn't rush to the fact that he's gay (my opinion, although the author had a different interpretation of the scenario:

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The only two targets caught between the crosshairs of Scorpio's rifle that get away are over the top queer - yet Scorpio hates the sight of them perhaps sensing his own mottled reflection.

But there's some great subtext material in the article nonetheless!

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Much has been written about "Dirty Harry", but rarely has anything been mentioned about the film's underlying homophobic subtext and its almost homoerotic worship of Harry's .44 Magnum ("My," croons Scorpio as Harry pulls the gun from its holster, "that's a big one.").

I'll have to spend time on that site....lots of good movies to check out. Thanks man.

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:19:40 PM
Originally posted by 618,  05-21-2002 05:32 PM      
He's very, very sharp. Check out the review of "Vanishing Point," even if you haven't seen the movie.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:25:28 PM
Originally posted by Matt, 05-21-2002 06:17 PM      
Using GMAT's gay subtext examples in The Endless Thunderbolt and Lightfoot Gay/No Way Debate thread as a reference point, how about these:

The bank robber, sprawled provocatively on the pavement, looks up at Harry who stands straight and tall like an erect penis as he says "I know what you're thinking..." (See "Punk" below)

Scorpio, squeeling and crying like a girl at Kezar Stadium, he's not a manly man. He must be gay. (No offense to the women of the board, I'm just following GMAT's examples here)

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Originally posted by GMAT:
I think that that sequencing and editing is pretty compelling evidence for a gay subtext. Movies are carefully mapped out and don't just happen "naturally" and without certain implications.
Watch the final confrontation between Scorpio and Harry. Scorpio with his mouth wide open, cuts to Harry's gun, pointed right at him. Then back to Scorpio's wide open mouth, back to the gun! Back to the mouth, as Harry even says "but being this is a 44 magnum, and the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off... you've got to ask yourself a question. ‘Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you? PUNK?"


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Punk (slang)

2. a young male partner of a homosexual.

Websters Universal College Dictionary

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Originally posted by GMAT:
Another symbol of heterosexual impotency in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot: Thunderbolt's bad leg.

Both Harry AND Scorpio suffer leg injuries in this film, and Scorpio limps throughout the second half of the film.


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Originally posted by GMAT:
Sure, the lust for women is part of the necessary textual disguise for a taboo subject (homosexuality). And, tellingly, does Lightfoot score with any of those women? No. If Cimino really wanted to emphasize Lightfoot's heterosexuality, don't you think that he would have had him score at least once?
All those naked women that Harry can see but not touch, a CLEAR example of his heterosexual impotency: Hot Mary, the girl at the party, the strippers. Tellingly, does Harry score with any of those women? No. If Segal really wanted to emphasize Harry's heterosexuality, don't you think that he would have had him score at least once?

Scorpio's wearing a floral print tie when he got beat up by "Clarence Thomas". It was when he became a girl that he had to be punished.

Have I spewed enough pop Psychology 101 yet? I really feel sorry for film analysts and critics who make a living coming up with this kind of bullsh!t, and think they're brilliant for it.

Judging by these examples, it's clear, no... it's OVERWHELMINGLY OBVIOUS that Harry and Scorpio are gay as hell.  (http://home.swfla.rr.com/mattreigns/instantrazz.gif)
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:27:14 PM
Originally posted by KC,  05-21-2002 08:21 PM      

You got it, Matt! I'm amazed no one pointed out all these things before. And how about all those phallic symbols ...

(http://users.erols.com/kcoblenz/DHCross2.JPG)

KC
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:28:38 PM
Originally posted by bdc28, 05-22-2002 05:10 AM      
*bows to the greatness that is Matt*

WOW, talk about revisited!!!! I couldnt have done that much bullsh!t spewing if I watched the movie twice!!!

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"Has anyone ever told you that you have a SERIOUS IMPULSE CONTROL PROBLEM??!",-Jim Carrey as THE RIDDLER.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:31:27 PM
Borrowed this shot from another thread:

(http://users.erols.com/kcoblenz/DHCrossScorpio.JPG)

Okay, sub-quiz time:

Q: What is going on in this sub-scenario? Which is the correct sub-answer?

A.   Scorpio was caught in the middle of a no-no (self-gratification type of act)
B.   Alice snuck up from behind unexpectedly and scared the "dickens" out of him (or into him)
C.   He found out he was actually not related to Edward G. Robinson
D.   Eastwood unknowingly stuck him with a real knife
E.   Whatever your sub-conscious is telling you
F.   All of the above

Anyone?

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:32:46 PM
Originally posted by KC, 05-22-2002 06:35 AM  
I fixed it, AgentR ... it's case sensitive. Has to end with .JPG, not .jpg.

Probably there's a subtext in that, too ...   ;)

KC
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:37:10 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-22-2002 08:05 AM      

Thanks KC! I did originally left it ".JPG," (cut & paste), but for some strange reason it wouldn't cooperate. But thanks nonetheless   :)

As a result, I'm going to edit the above post.

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:38:20 PM
Originally posted by Red, 05-22-2002 11:11 AM      
I have the 30th Anniversary Special Edition DVD of Dirty Harry as part of a five disc box set. On it there is an interview with Andy Robinson in which he states that Don Siegel encouraged him to ad lib and the line, "My thats a big one", was ad libbed by him and not part of the original script.

Just to muddy the waters a little!

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Improvise, adapt, overcome
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:39:40 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-22-2002 02:54 PM      
Ahhh! The same motivation that promted Bill McKinney to ad-lib the "Squeal like a pig" line! See the sub-connection here??!! It's all fitting together!

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:42:56 PM
Originally posted by baggieb,05-22-2002 10:23 PM      
At the risk of being taken seriously, and dragging this insane thread clear through to the logical conclusion...
In Dead Pool, Harry goes after the killer with a humongous spear gun. And impales him with a spear, pinning him against the wall. Both symbols obviously phallic. How much more obvious a Gay subtext could one wish?????

Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:44:17 PM
Originally posted by GMAT, 05-23-2002 05:13 AM    
Of course, in the case of Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, the director, Michael Cimino, has admitted to the existence of a "gay subtext" in his film and that subtext squares with the film's main text. Neither is the case with Dirty Harry.

I also don't understand that critic's point, as almost all serial killers in the history of western civilization have been heterosexual white males who, while sexually frustrated, perhaps, have lusted after and killed women in particular. Scorpio, appropriately, seems to take special pleasure in targeting social minorities (women, children, gays, blacks, Catholics).

But you guys have been very clever with these examples. Keep them up ...
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:46:03 PM
Originally posted by GMAT, 05-23-2002 05:26 AM      
OK, that critic is ridiculous and makes no sense. He has no justification for calling Scorpio "gay," and even less for terming Harry a "racist" ... this is the kind of sh!t that gives film criticism a bad name.

Scorpio does make something of a phallic joke by commenting on Harry's gun, but then, Scorpio is a perverse individual.


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... his blatant and gleeful homosexuality.

O ... K ... are we sure that BDC, Agent, Red, and Matt didn't secretly collaborate on this article?   ;)
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:47:09 PM
Originally posted by Red,05-23-2002 05:36 AM      
With reference to Michael Cimino's gay subtext in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, don't forget he also co-wrote Magnum Force.

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"I wouldn't care if the whole department was queer if they could shoot like those guys".

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Improvise, adapt, overcome
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:48:43 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 05-23-2002 06:09 AM      
Oh no - Magnum Force! Just the title alone is very suggestive. I mean....were the 4 merry straight-shooting vigilantes "queer," or what? Who among us will start the Magnum Force thread??

Just kidding, of course....

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:49:52 PM
Originally posted by Jonsson45, 10-30-2002 02:52 PM      
Gay subtext or not he was ahead of his time if it was true, look at the shows like Jackass I think its hilarious party boy running around in a thong bumpin up on guys check out the movie Jackass and you will not stop laughin.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:51:33 PM
Originally posted by Nightwing, 10-30-2002 07:16 PM
So what you guys (and gals) are saying here, is that Dirty Harry is gay?!    ??? ???

So thats why he shoved that girl outta the way of the mial box, he had gay porn in there.   :o

Mail box bomb, my ass.

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"Concentrate on what cannot lie.
The evidence..." -- Gil Grissom
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:52:51 PM
Originally posted by Matt, 10-30-2002 07:39 PM      
bdc started this thread as a joke, after an eight page debate on whether or not there was gay subtext in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:54:34 PM
Originally posted by Nightwing, 10-30-2002 07:47 PM      
I know, I was only joking. I know this thread isnt meant to be taken seriously. (or is it?  ??? ;) :P   )

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"Concentrate on what cannot lie.
The evidence..." -- Gil Grissom
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:56:14 PM
Originally posted by bdc28, 11-06-2002 06:20 AM      
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O ... K ... are we sure that BDC, Agent, Red, and Matt didn't secretly collaborate on this article? -GMAT
Ahhh, GMAT, ya got us good didnt ya? Im telling you, there is no fooling the O.G (original GMAT).

On a serious side to this, it is VERY possible that Scorpio be homosexual, or at least try it. Generally in criminal profiling of mass murderers or spree killers, there is usually a question of sexuality (such is the case with Jeffrey Dahmer). Generally this is fueled with a inability to bond with the female gender, and is mistaken as real homosexuality (which is an attraction to the opposite sex, as opposed to having sex with your gender because you are uncomfortable with females).

It WOULD, fit the profile.

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"Has anyone ever told you that you have a SERIOUS IMPULSE CONTROL PROBLEM??!",-Jim Carrey as THE RIDDLER.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:57:39 PM
Originally posted by little_bill, 11-06-2002 06:54 AM      
i think i'm gonna be sick :o

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i hope when i die people will say of me: "he sure owed me a lot of money"

Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:58:45 PM
Originally posted by philo, 11-06-2002 08:10 AM      
If you look at that masked picture of Andy and then read answer " b " , it is so funny , In fact I laughed all the way through that post .

Well done Agent R

Philo .
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 06:59:59 PM
Originally posted by Agent, 11-06-2002 08:25 AM      
lol..I'll have to go back & check out what was said -- I've forgotten it's been so long.  8)

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Flint: "That eagle, why did he attack me?"
Galaxy man: "He's been trained to recognize and attack Americans."
Flint: "An anti-American eagle. How diabolical!"
-Our Man Flint
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 07:01:18 PM
Originally posted by william evans, 11-08-2002 12:56 PM      

After reading all of this thread, I need to call my wife!   ;D 8)


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"A mans got to have his limitations"
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: allycat on December 19, 2002, 07:03:34 PM
That's the whole original thread.

If anyone would like to continue the craziness... go ahead!  ;D
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: bdc28 on April 25, 2003, 11:28:17 AM
Hmmmm, this is an interesting article.

I was reading this in the latest article of G.M.A.T (Gay Material And Thubplots)...about why the Dirty Harry character never went beyond Sargeant, or liked pairing with a partner.

Its a theory that in some "Serpico" kind of way, he was found in a mens room, and not alone. The then caring, and "understanding" captain, kept trying to pair him up with other "partners", to get something steady going.

Also a clarification. Supposedly his former partner, and his wife, were killed before the first Dirty Harry (this was inferred). There is a theory that they were one in the same person..."wife" being a nickname at the time.

Any thoughts?

By the way, GMAT....I miss you. I hope you know that was my backhanded way of saying WHERE ARE YOU??!?!
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Agent on April 25, 2003, 12:55:40 PM
Wasn't there a little-known sequel called, Dirty Harry & Crazy Larry? I never saw it....
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: misty71 on April 27, 2003, 04:48:01 PM
This is all very sad.  :(
I mean, come on, there is no  gay subtext. Phallic symbols? ::) I mean, he's a cop he has to carry a gun right?what is he gonna defend himself with a rag?Im sorry, but I dont see any sign of homosexuality in our dear inspector71. By the way, isnt that soooo original, since the film was made in 71? :o No, I mean come on, I dont think theres any gay subtext in there, Scorpio could be gay, but thats all.The whole think about DH asking scorpio "where's the girl" because he doesnt like her coming in between them....Some  people do think a lot! ;D
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Matt on April 27, 2003, 05:20:58 PM
Just in case anyone is actually taking this thread seriously, it is just a joke...  but this thread isn't:

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=142

This thread was started to show just what can happen if you're looking too hard to find a message in a film that you want to find.  Don't take anything here seriously.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: bdc28 on May 21, 2003, 08:18:06 AM
Actually, I thought you guys would find this hysterical.

There is a radio disc jockey called the GREASEMAN, who always did "stories" with full scale sound effects.

Anyway, he always used to do stories about if he got hit in the head and was magically taken away to a world where he and Clint Eastwood were gay.

If you go to www.greaseman.org..click the link that says MP3 and bits...and then ALBUM ONE, you will see a link that is called CLINTON AND THE PUNK.

Click that and it lets you hear one of those stories. Its really funny!!!
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Jay74 on May 28, 2003, 11:10:50 AM
????You gotta be F*ckin' me.
And the T-rex in Jurassic Park stands for Spielberg's violent daddy i suppose.
Nonsence to the max, except for the old batman series, but that's obvious
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Doug on May 28, 2003, 12:14:49 PM
Remember, Jay:

This thread was started to show just what can happen if you're looking too hard to find a message in a film that you want to find.  Don't take anything here seriously.

My emphasis.  That is an interesting theory about the T-Rex.  I always thought the T-Rex symbolized the snotty film critic.  But that's another topic.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2003, 03:56:13 PM
Thanks, Doug.

Do you think it might be due to the fact that I phrased that "disclaimer" so badly that the point might not have gotten across?

Let me try again:

This thread was started to show just what can happen if you pick any film, pick any agenda, and try to make the film support that agenda by referencing certain subtext, symbolism, or whatever else you can find if you look hard enough into the film.  No one who has posted in this thread actually believes there's gay subtext in Dirty Harry, but it was fun trying to prove there was with our outlandish examples (which are actually no more outrageous than some critics and non-critics use when trying to prove their own personal theories of a film).  

We had fun in this thread, but I think the time has come to close it.  Thanks for a fun thread, BDC.  
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: sten on September 09, 2016, 01:35:31 PM
hey, so first of all, am I glad to have found a forum SPECIFICALLY made for discussing all things Clint Eastwood. I really love harry Callahan's sweater vest Looks

second of all, I really want to share my thoughts on a possible relationship between inspector callahan and inspector gonzalez.

when chico is introduced in dirty harry, he is wearing a grey blazer, in contrast to harry's brown plaid blazer. 40 minutes into the movie, chico is wearing a brown plaid blazer and harry a grey blazer. they are also shown to be getting out of the same car in the beginning of that scene. now... the two brown plaid blazers have SLIGHTLY different patterns, but one could argue that it was a continuity error and it was meant to be the same blazer. my friends and i have this theory that chico and harry spent the night together in between this scene and the stakeout scene before it and they accidentally swapped blazers. one could ALSO argue that chico based his wardrobe around harry's out of admiration or to achieve a partner Look.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Matt on September 09, 2016, 01:39:33 PM
 ;D  This is maybe the most unique "first post" on the forum.

Screencaps will be necessary. Let's see if there's anything to this.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: sten on September 09, 2016, 01:47:27 PM
screencaps you say? Absolutely!!

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/1f316b68e1d562c767635b95003b816e/tumblr_inline_ocuq7lXZau1uuw6ea_540.png)

^ chico's introduction

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/55ab156a97706fbb38f0f6d8ee87c142/tumblr_inline_ocuqa7GUbh1uuw6ea_540.png)

^ 40 minutes into the movie

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/4980c99a763924d2593ea61c9d4c38e1/tumblr_inline_ocuqmemkqj1uuw6ea_1280.png)

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/2464ab32ac7a34f42dfcfd050cace9fc/tumblr_inline_ocuqmvev5P1uuw6ea_1280.png)

(http://67.media.tumblr.com/640697ba136cdac0a170c9b0f6f56893/tumblr_inline_ocuqnkngLm1uuw6ea_1280.png)

^ them getting out of the car together
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Matt on September 09, 2016, 02:00:02 PM
You're very prepared. I was going to do this. Let me get out my pipe and blazer, and investigate this.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Matt on September 09, 2016, 02:11:31 PM
After thorough inspection, and a brief rewatch of the sniper scene and the following scene at the police station, I have to vote against a night of wild steamy sex between Chico and Harry that would possibly entail them accidentally wearing each other's blazers. It might have been possible if only Chico's blazer was an exact match for the brown one Harry was wearing.

I think more likely... Chico and Harry just are snazzy dressers, unusual for undercover inspectors, but maybe there is something between them that makes them two birds of a feather.

We might want to merge your posts into this thread:

Is There Gay Subtext In Dirty Harry (http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=171.0)

As you can guess of a discussion board about Clint Eastwood movies that's been around for nearly 20 years ... we sometimes are just looking for anything to talk about. :)
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: sten on September 09, 2016, 02:23:17 PM
oh wow i didn't know that thread existed hahaha!!
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Matt on September 09, 2016, 02:25:41 PM
I might have to unlock it... it was fun for three pages, but people kept taking it seriously. It might be fun to unlock and see what new posts we can add.

I just noticed that no one put Chico and Harry together -- it always Harry and Scorpio.  But, maybe.... Harry wasn't monogamous!  :o  ;)
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: sten on September 09, 2016, 02:33:11 PM
ah... i read through that thread and saw it was a joke... :/ (this thread wasn't a joke lmao!)

but harry/scorpio?? really? come on!! harry/chico is where's it's at gang!

also the hot dog that harry eats at the beginning represents chico's penis... Symbolism
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Matt on September 09, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
Harry doesn't have time to break in any newcomers. If he has time, he'd rather break in someone who knows what he's doing.

His words, not mine.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: Matt on September 09, 2016, 02:38:46 PM
Oh, and you know what happened to the other "partners" before Chico?  One's still in the hospital, and the other is dead.

Damn. So that's why they call him Dirty Harry.
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: twinkeastwood on September 09, 2016, 03:21:11 PM
MY LONGEST YEAH BOY EVER
Title: Re: IS there Gay Subtext in DIRTY HARRY?
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 09, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
We've merged sten's post here but the topic remains locked.

This thread was started to show just what can happen if you pick any film, pick any agenda, and try to make the film support that agenda by referencing certain subtext, symbolism, or whatever else you can find if you look hard enough into the film.  No one who has posted in this thread actually believes there's gay subtext in Dirty Harry, but it was fun trying to prove there was with our outlandish examples (which are actually no more outrageous than some critics and non-critics use when trying to prove their own personal theories of a film). 

We had fun in this thread, but I think the time has come to close it.  Thanks for a fun thread, BDC.