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Title: Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Clintus on June 02, 2004, 09:44:11 AM

Does anyone have an adequate reason why the above movies have never been released on DVD? I find it very frustrating as these movies were really good, light-hearted entertainment.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Brendan on June 02, 2004, 11:07:23 AM
Huh?

Every Which Way But Loose (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000060MWP/qid=1086199582/sr=1-12/ref=sr_1_12/102-8806876-6236154?v=glance&s=dvd)

Any Which Way You Can (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000060MWO/qid=1086199582/sr=1-17/ref=sr_1_17/102-8806876-6236154?v=glance&s=dvd)
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Jed Cooper on June 02, 2004, 12:41:06 PM
I guess it depends on where you live, 'cause "Every Which Way But Loose" and "Any Which Way You Can" are available in the U.S.  As of next Tuesday, every single major Clint Eastwood movie will be available on dvd with the release of "Mystic River".  Yes!  If you don't have it, hopefully it will be available soon.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 02, 2004, 01:46:34 PM


If you see where Clintus lives you will see that he is in reg 2 country.

One of the reasons they have not been released is that the 2nd film will require cuts and that will mean a re- submission to the BBFC and therefore a further payment for Warner.
They won't release one without the other ..... so no release for either.


Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Gant on June 02, 2004, 02:01:12 PM
Philo... why does the second movie require cuts.... ???
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 02, 2004, 02:44:07 PM

Hi Gant ,

Apart from the first Warner "rental" VHS/Beta release in late 1982 the scene with the raccoon and the rattlesnake has been heavily cut. I have alway felt it a scene that did not need to be so graphic and the RSPCA here in the UK will not stand for it. They even forced James Cameron and Fox to cut the rat in liquid sequence from The Abyss.

There is no getting around this, as a widescreen certificate for Any which way has never been asked for , until it is (and paid for) we will not see a release and never one uncut.

Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Clintus on June 02, 2004, 03:18:31 PM


If you see where Clintus lives you will see that he is in reg 2 country.

One of the reasons they have not been released is that the 2nd film will require cuts and that will mean a re- submission to the BBFC and therefore a further payment for Warner.
They won't release one without the other ..... so no release for either.


Philo .

Philo, Thanks for explaining that. Whilst it still annoys me a little as least I can rationalise it with the reasons why. Appreciate it. Been that long since I saw the movie, I can't remember the racoon scene.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Gant on June 03, 2004, 12:00:25 AM
To be honest I'm only really interested in the first movie, tho' I can appreciate that they won't release one without the other...

Thanks for the info Philo...... are they out on region 4 ?
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 03, 2004, 12:39:08 PM

Yes but only in NTSC, it seems that no pal  masters have been made.

even though region 4 is pal Oz have converted ntsc to put up with .... Ugghhh  :P


This is why I was keen to see if they were released with the magazine. They were featured on the ad, but I can't see how they will be released.


Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: allycat on June 03, 2004, 03:46:12 PM
It's shocking the amount of Clint films which are still yet to be released for Region 2...Honkytonk Man, Tightrope, Bird, to name but a few in addition to the Every Which Way/Any Which Way films...  ??? >:( :'( And when we do get the DVD, sometimes it's not half as good as the Region 1 version, as evidenced recently by the pathetic version of Mystic River that is coming out for Region 2.

I don't understand why when you consider that Clint is one of the most well-known and respected actors and directors in the business. It's a problem because I've got some Clint films on video that I can't replace with the DVD versions, and there's a few I don't own that I can't buy at all because you can only get them on video and I don't want to buy videos because they're becoming more and more obsolete...this sucks!
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 04, 2004, 05:53:38 AM

Well from what I have just heard the single disc Mystic river sucks even in the USA.
It seems that you have to now shell out for the 3 disc version to get anything extra.

Shame on you Warner.

Ally, The releases featuring Honkytonk man, etc are now out in reg 4 from Australia. They are also out here but only in not very nice box sets. If you buy theses box sets then you have to buy a "cut" firefox and buy again perfect world and heartbreak ridge.... so yet again another Warner rip off.

I have to rely on passed on info because unlike most of you I will not give them my money on day one of these rather poor releases .... and yes I mean every damn one of them  >:
( >:( >:( >:(


Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: allycat on June 04, 2004, 11:41:46 AM
Well, at least the US gets the 3-disc version! We don't even get a choice  ???

Thanks for the info Philo, I did know about the crappy box sets as I've seen them on Play.com but I'm not prepared to spend that much money even though I don't have A Perfect World or Heartbreak Ridge on DVD, only on video. I've got the cut version of Firefox on DVD only I didn't know it was cut when I bought it :(

So we can play Region 4 on our Region 2 DVD players? So maybe I could order Honkytonk Man from Oz...but it'll probably cost a fortune! I do have a couple of Hitchcock DVDs which are both Region 2 and 4 so I guess that would make sense.

If once Mystic River comes out, every single major Clint Eastwood movie will be available on DVD in America as Jed has stated, then maybe after that they'll get around to us poor relations, eh?! ;) Maybe I should start a petition or something...
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: right turn clyde on June 04, 2004, 12:10:51 PM
Guys, go to http://www.avforums.com

Scroll down the page to the heading "DVD Hacks". You will find the hacks for most DVD players. It usually involves keying in numbers from the DVD's remote control. If you don't see your player post a Q on the forum. We can usually answer most queries.

You will then be able to watch DVD's from ANY region.

I've had EWWBL & AWWYC since they came out and I've got the Mystic River 3 disc set on it's way. Technically I should not be able to see them as I live in the UK and they would like to restrict us to Region 2.

If you are in the UK then www.dvdsoon.com based in Canada sell Clints DVD's usually around the £8 mark inc shipping.

It really is that easy.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 04, 2004, 07:30:35 PM

Ally , unless your player is multi region or hacked, a region 2 player will not play reg 4 discs.
Your Hitchcock titles only play because they are reg 2&4, your player will be playing them as 2 .

If you can hack your machine as "right turn" suggests then you will be fine.

I have one of the first multi region players that came out in the late 90's. It is great when you don't have to think if you can play a disc.

Great to see Warner releases here and in Australia not in snapper cases.

Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Philo Beddoe Jr on June 04, 2004, 11:04:16 PM
So maybe I could order Honkytonk Man from Oz...but it'll probably cost a fortune!

If your player can play multiregion you should be able to pick up the r4 Honkeytonk Man for approx AUS $16-17 (not including postage).

WKC.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 05, 2004, 05:51:37 AM

Yes and that is a good price. If they were out here they would be £15-20.


Philo .

Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: simmo on June 05, 2004, 06:02:04 AM
Clintus.U can buy mutiregion dvd players in the uk now for 30 quid. I have a pioneer multi region i bought quite a while ago and have every which way and any which way on R.1 dvd .In fact watched them the other day for the first time in ages.Also bought the R.1 of good bad and ugly collectors edition as its nicer than the R.2 version.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: allycat on June 05, 2004, 06:03:34 AM
Thank you right turn clyde for the info. I believe similar info was posted in the off-topic section of the board relatively recently. I can have a go but it's not my DVD player (I don't have my own personal one) so I hope fiddling with it won't break it ;) I often play DVDs on my laptop but you can't really get around the region thing on computers, can you?

This is so frustrating as I really want to get the Every Which Way/Any Which Way films and all the others I don't have on DVD...initially I was merely annoyed about the fact that most of Clint's DVDs don't have decent extras, but I'd settle for vanilla DVDs if I could just have versions I could actually watch...
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: allycat on June 05, 2004, 06:05:42 AM
Clintus.U can buy mutiregion dvd players in the uk now for 30 quid. I have a pioneer multi region i bought quite a while ago and have every which way and any which way on R.1 dvd .In fact watched them the other day for the first time in ages.Also bought the R.1 of good bad and ugly collectors edition as its nicer than the R.2 version.

Simmo, where can you buy these multi-region players from? And I thought the Reg 2 version of GBU was the same as the Reg 1. Not yet another DVD we've been short-changed on?!  ???
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: simmo on June 05, 2004, 06:10:48 AM
The region 1 disc of good bad ugly has the original italian soundtrack plus some cool movie poster postcards in the box which u dont get in the R.2 set.And it was just over a tenner from dvdsoon.Will get back to u on the dvd players
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: simmo on June 05, 2004, 06:15:12 AM
Alleycat.Go to amazon.co.uk and look under the dvd section.theres quite a few there that are multi region and also have mp3 playback for 30 quid.Read some of the reader reviews to see how good they are.U cant go wrong for the price plus u get free delivery over 25 quid. ;)
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: right turn clyde on June 05, 2004, 07:23:57 AM
Alleycat, what is the make & model of the DVD player you are using? I'll check for a hack. You won't break it by hacking it ! :-)
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: allycat on June 05, 2004, 11:03:34 AM
Dudes, it's allycat!  >:( But if you're nice you can call me ally...

The DVD player is a JVC make. Thanks for the info - I'll check out Amazon (when I have some money - spent it all on cds and Clint DVDs the other day!)
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 05, 2004, 05:19:27 PM

I took the liberty of calling you Ally, hope that was ok.  :-X


Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: allycat on June 06, 2004, 05:24:06 AM
But of course...it is my name, after all ;)
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Coogan on June 06, 2004, 01:22:43 PM
Hey guys, so the only cut in both US DVD's is the rattlesnake scene... is that right.

I love these two movies but have only got them on video, I think I am gonna invest in them both on DVD from the states.  ;)
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 07, 2004, 08:30:12 AM

Hi Coogan,

It is only Any which way you can that is cut and only cut in the UK (That is why no DVD release)

It is uncut in reg 1 NTSC.


Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Coogan on June 07, 2004, 10:59:50 AM
Cheers Philo,

I will have to get these two DVDs now from the US, I like it when they are uncut

EXCELLENT :)

P.S. What about the US version of FIREFOX is that cut do you know


Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 07, 2004, 07:45:36 PM

Again UK version is around the 120 min mark

US is the full 137 min version.


Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Coogan on June 08, 2004, 04:32:18 AM
Cheers Philo,

It's good to know you....  ;)

Do you know anymore of Clint's movies that are cut in the UK, but are full in the USA.

CHEERS
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Gant on June 08, 2004, 08:43:11 AM
I may be wrong but I think the UK dvd of Coogans Bluff is cut..at least one scene...  :(
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Coogan on June 08, 2004, 08:54:37 AM
Grant,

Which bit was cut.... can you remember or not. I have that on region 2, but if it is cut I will get hold of the region 1 copy.

Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Gant on June 08, 2004, 12:12:27 PM
Hiya Tex.... ;)

When I picked up the region 2 dvd a year or so ago.. I think it was KC who pointed out a scene was missing. It takes place in his boss's office right after the tub scene and right before Coogan appears on the helicopter en route to NY...

I was dissapointed that it was a cut version and wasn't too impressed with the quality of the picture. Not sure if the region 1 dvd is an improvment... at least it's uncut.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Coogan on June 08, 2004, 12:54:45 PM
Gant, firstly must appologise for using Grant, I miss read your name... Sorry

and it's still Coogan...  :D


Looks like I am gonna have to invest in the US version of this.
I have always had a soft spot for this movie, since I was at school infact, so I want the complete version

CHEERS

Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Gant on June 08, 2004, 02:39:46 PM
Yeah.. I feel the same. I think it's one of the first Clint films I ever saw, apart from maybe the Leone westerns... I've always been a fan of Coogans Bluff. Good story, Clint looks great, loads of action, loads of laughs... :)
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 08, 2004, 04:07:59 PM

Hi Gant/Coogan,

The Uk disc is uncut. The scene you refer to only apprears in the US TV version and was NEVER part of the original release. It will not be in the reg 1 version either. It was only  inserted together with a few extra sequences to pad the length of the tv version which was cut for other reasons.
The scene in his bosses office is ok but only slows the film down. Knowing what I do of Siegel's career it would have been an early scene to go.


Philo .  
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: KC on June 08, 2004, 06:20:33 PM
The scene in question may not be important or striking cinematically, but it carries a significant piece of exposition: The man Coogan is supposed to extradite in New York is wanted for murder. Without that bit of information, he's just a drug-crazed hippie.

There's another brief scene (in the hospital) that is also apparently only found in some U.S. TV versions. In it, we see that Coogan disobeys the doctor's explicit instructions, and leaves the hospital against medical advice. It adds something (if a small something) to what we know of his character. I, for one, would have liked to have seen these two scenes on the DVD, at least as extras.

FWIW, here are transcriptions of the two scenes:

Quote
Scene: The sheriff’s office. The sheriff looks out the window, sees Coogan’s jeep with the two bullet holes in the windshield, sees Coogan coming his way. Coogan, outside the office door, knocks.

SHERIFF: Come in.

Coogan enters, wearing shades.

SHERIFF: Forty-seven minutes late.

COOGAN: So?

SHERIFF: So you know what a new windshield costs? Installed? $44.50.

COOGAN as he takes off his shades: Is that what you want to ... talk to me about?

SHERIFF: Not quite.

He goes to desk, takes out papers.

SHERIFF: Governor’s warrant. Duplicate flight, duplicate record, James Ringerman.

COOGAN: Ringerman?

He takes the papers.

SHERIFF as he takes a cigar from a box on his desk and lights it: Remember Ringerman? Discharged soldier, stole a car down at Bisby? Armed robbery, service station? Picked up a little blonde someplace. We found her dead, motel, busted neck. Apprehended November 3, escaped custody, November 9. Last fall. They picked him up in New York last week, they’re holding him for us. For you, that is.

COOGAN: Why me, sheriff?

SHERIFF: You’re the one who pinched him.

COOGAN: And you’re the one who lost him.

SHERIFF: Heffurnan lost him.

COOGAN: Well then, send Heffurnan.

SHERIFF: Are you telling me who to send?

COOGAN: I’m telling you that I was out there for three days.

SHERIFF: So? You had a nice, refreshing bath. Here’s the necessary information, where to go and who to see when you get there. Plus airline ticket vouchers. Get thrashing, Deputy.

COOGAN: What is it with me, sheriff?

SHERIFF: Well, let’s just say that I don’t like deputies who bust up my vehicles. You got a per diem in New York, I wanna see the bills. Any complaints?

COOGAN: No, no. I figure I came out ahead.

He helps himself to one of the sheriff’s cigars.

COOGAN exiting, smiling: You could have asked me to pay for the windshield.

He goes out as he puts the cigar in his mouth. The sheriff slams the cigar box shut. Cut to a cigar-shaped airborne helicopter.

In the "official" video version of the hospital scene, there’s a cut from a shot of Lt. McElroy exiting after his last line, "I’ll be back tomorrow" (Coogan, off camera, replies, "Yeah, you do that") to a closeup of Coogan in bed, then a longer shot as he then turns over, gets up and walks to the window, takes off his bandage, and looks out through the blinds. His point of view of the street below is the transition to another point of view of another street, this time his view from his hotel room; he’s left the hospital.

But in the "long" version, there’s a brief scene for the doctor between McElroy’s exit and Coogan’s getting out of bed. It goes like this:

Quote
McElroy exits. Cut to a medium shot of a doctor examining Coogan, who reclines in bed, facing away from the camera.

DOCTOR: New York’s finest. No pained smile, please.

COOGAN: How do you get to the Golden Hotel from here?

DOCTOR as he takes Coogan’s pulse: The Golden? I wouldn’t worry about it for a couple of days. You’ve got a little more time to put in here.

COOGAN: Thanks.

DOCTOR: I mean it.

He turns out the light above Coogan’s bed and begins to walk to the door.

DOCTOR: Don’t try to get up. You’ll fall down.

Exit. Cut to the closeup of Coogan, who gets up and walks to the window, etc., as outlined above.

Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Christopher on June 08, 2004, 06:54:48 PM
I think I remember that scene with the doctor as well. So were these scenes only in TV versions?

BTW, why are we talking about Coogan's Bluff in this thread? The transition was quite subtle. :D
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: KC on June 08, 2004, 07:14:20 PM
BTW, why are we talking about Coogan's Bluff in this thread? The transition was quite subtle. :D
Ooops ... well, Grant, I mean Gant brought it up, Philo responded, and I was just getting my 2 ¢ worth in ...  :-[
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Gant on June 08, 2004, 11:17:42 PM
Hey..good stuff.

I never realised there were different versions..funny thing is, after reading thru the scenes KC mentions I can't help feeling that I have seen them on UK tv at some time. Is this possible Philo or just my imagination working overtime...

Shame they couldn't have been included as extras tho'..
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Coogan on June 09, 2004, 05:28:36 AM
KC,

Thanks for that very interesting post.

I am not too pleased about it been cut out of the DVD though.  >:(


Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Gant on June 09, 2004, 06:21:36 AM
So whats the deal here... the uk dvd version is THE version that went out in Cinemas back in the late 60's.. Then , some time later when it turns up on tv Universal supply the stations with extra scenes so's it fits into their schedules better.... ???

Have I got this right ?

I gotsta know  ?
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Philo Beddoe Jr on June 09, 2004, 07:09:13 AM
So whats the deal here... the uk dvd version is THE version that went out in Cinemas back in the late 60's.. Then , some time later when it turns up on tv Universal supply the stations with extra scenes so's it fits into their schedules better.... ???

Have I got this right ?

I gotsta know  ?
Sure you've got it right.  They used to do this with movies quite a bit.  Fit in extra adds... cut a scene.  Remove a piece due to unacceptable TV content...replace it with another scene.  etc. etc.
I don't know if it is still a common practice.

WKC.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Gant on June 09, 2004, 12:54:27 PM
Wow..... I never knew this.... Sure I knew they cut scenes to fit in the ad breaks etc.. but I never realised that they had access to scenes that never made the final cut....

Well, ya live and learn huh... :)

Does this mean that the scenes with Clint back with his kids (who looked after them while he was away anyway ?) in Unforgiven, might turn up on channel 5 some day when they got some spare minutes to fill....
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 09, 2004, 07:20:04 PM

I take on board what KC says about the extra scenes but I can imagine Siegel possibly having to film that first extra scene and viewing it at dalies and thinking "Does the paying audience really want to hear about the price of windsheids". I always thought that was a feeble reason for sending him. He would have thought "Lets get him to NY". The film runs just under 90mins so the extra scenes could have always been part of the film. I think we have Siegel's version as a theatrical version and for tv (as usual) the studio can do what it wants.
Gant ,
Coogan has always been shown uncut on UK tv and always without the tv version scenes.

You can have the best of both worlds. I have a Technicolor theatrical print and straight after the end of the film follow the  tv version scenes.    8)


Philo .
 
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Coogan on June 15, 2004, 04:38:21 AM
I got both "Every Which Way" & "Any Which Way" DVDs through the letter box this morning, so guess what I will be watching tonight with a few ice cold beers  :)


Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Philo Beddoe Jr on June 15, 2004, 07:09:51 AM
I just got home from work, and I think I will join you.

Enjoy :D.

WKC.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: Coogan on June 18, 2004, 10:28:46 AM
Well I must say both movies are superb, great quality & great sound

Fantastic   :)

Plus.....  it's the first time I've seen the rattle snake bit in "Any Which Way You Can", I can't remember ever seeing that clip.
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on June 18, 2004, 05:01:15 PM

Hi Coogan,

Well as I said unless you were around and renting the original release video then you won't have seen it.

Even I was fairly young in 82!!  ;)


Philo .
Title: Re:Every Which Way But Loose/Any Which Way You Can on DVD
Post by: philo on July 12, 2004, 06:52:02 AM

Here is the cover of the only ever uncut UK edition. This is what to look out for at your boot sales.



(http://img21.exs.cx/img21/9809/wayuncut.jpg)



Philo .