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Title: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on March 12, 2006, 09:43:57 PM
As some of you may have noticed, the search engine on this site leaves something to be desired. For one thing, even if you use "advanced search," there's no way you can do a search on an exact phrase. If you're looking for something like "Man with no name" ... which is made up of four words that are very common in other contexts ... it's hard to get a good result.

Today I hit on the idea of applying the power of Google to this task. It's possible, using Google's Advanced Search (http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en), to limit your result to a single domain. In this case, on the Advanced Search page, enter clinteastwood.org/forums in the "Domain" box. Put the phrase you want to search on in the second box at the top, where it says "Find results ... with the exact phrase."

You can also do this on Google's regular search page. Just put the phrase you want to search in the search box in quotes (like this: "Man with no name") and follow it with site:clinteastwood.org/forums.

Obviously with something like "Man with no name," which even as a phrase is very common on this site, you may want to add some other words to narrow things down a bit!

One caveat: It seems to take Google a while to get around to indexing these things. I did a search on "Huffman" and didn't get the recent obit thread for Phyllis Huffman ... nor any of the posts in the Off Topic forum discussing Felicity Huffman's performance in Transamerica or the awards/nominations she received for it. So for newer stuff, you can use the "Advanced search" on this site, and use the "Message age" box to find items no older than 30 days, 60 days, or whatever you like.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Lilly on March 13, 2006, 01:59:41 PM
For one thing, even if you use "advanced search," there's no way you can do a search on an exact phrase. If you're looking for something like "Man with no name" ... which is made up of four words that are very common in other contexts ... it's hard to get a good result.

That used to really annoy me, but some time ago, I found that suddenly the exact phrase option did work.  Am I losing my marbles, or am I the only one that does indeed get exact phrase results returned if I enter the phrase with quote marks around it? ???

Re using Google...it's even easier if you have the Google Toolbar on Firefox (and probably with IE too - I think it used to work back in the dark ages when I still used it).  You just enter the phrase in the toolbar and hit the "search current site" button (assuming you opted to display it in the toolbar). 8)
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on March 13, 2006, 10:38:04 PM
That used to really annoy me, but some time ago, I found that suddenly the exact phrase option did work. Am I losing my marbles, or am I the only one that does indeed get exact phrase results returned if I enter the phrase with quote marks around it? ???

Darn, Lilly, that does seem to work! I don't know why I didn't think of it; I usually do try putting phrases in quotes if they don't tell you otherwise. Maybe it's because the search on this site used to have the explicit option to search words "as a phrase," and when the option was no longer there, I assumed the feature wasn't either.

Oh well, you can still try Google if this site search fails to turn up something you "know" was here ... as seems to happen fairly regularly. I just did get a result with Google that I couldn't find here, even using quotes in my search.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Lilly on March 14, 2006, 04:49:13 PM
Yeah, there is still the odd thing I'm sure is on the site, but can't turn up, neither with Google nor with our own search. :-\

I just noticed that the exact phrase search on this site cannot distinguish whether the exact phrase is within another word or not.  For example, searching for "in america" returns "plain america", because it contains the phrase. >:(  In practice this doesn't matter too much though, because the majority of the results are sound.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on March 21, 2006, 03:32:59 PM
am I the only one that does indeed get exact phrase results returned if I enter the phrase with quote marks around it? ???

Hey thanks Lilly,whenever I'd remember to use the search engine,I'd just type in what I was looking for and I would get all these results that had nothing to do with what I was looking for.
Now I put the quote marks around it and it's much better.
Cheers. O0
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Lilly on March 21, 2006, 04:00:47 PM
Cool, tgy. O0  It certainly is a pain sifting through all the results you get otherwise. :o
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Lin Sunderland on March 21, 2006, 05:41:17 PM
Thanks Lilly what a time saver.   :)
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on December 26, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
I just spent the good part of the morning searching for a post of mine where I compared the two 3:10 To Yuma films.

Using the search function here didn't help me at all, so I started searching through threads from around February this year when I saw both films on the same day. Still no luck, until I tried the "what was the last western you watched" thread and went back to February this year and sure enough there it was.

The only thing I can think of as to why it didn't show up in my original search was the titles are in italics, although I wouldn't think that would make a difference.

As some of you may have noticed, the search engine on this site leaves something to be desired. For one thing, even if you use "advanced search," there's no way you can do a search on an exact phrase. If you're looking for something like "Man with no name" ... which is made up of four words that are very common in other contexts ... it's hard to get a good result.

Today I hit on the idea of applying the power of Google to this task. It's possible, using Google's Advanced Search (http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en), to limit your result to a single domain. In this case, on the Advanced Search page, enter clinteastwood.org/forums in the "Domain" box. Put the phrase you want to search on in the second box at the top, where it says "Find results ... with the exact phrase."

Then I remembered this thread and KC's original post, and I tried the google advanced search and there is what I've been looking for, and it only took a couple seconds.

Quote
What was the last western you watched?3:10 To Yuma (2007) 3:10 To Yuma (1957) SPOILER ALERT This was interesting seeing two different versions of the one film on the same day. ...
www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=5064.540;wap2 - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

google (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=3%3A10+To+Yuma&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=clinteastwood.org%2Fforums&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images)
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 25, 2009, 05:54:43 PM
One thing I've noticed using google's advanced search when I'm looking for something on this site is that the page I get sometimes is just text with a white background, it's not the actual page from this site.

Anyone know what the story is there? It doesn't always happen, but I'm curious as to why it does sometimes.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on October 25, 2009, 06:20:39 PM
Yes, I get that too. I think it's the page "formatted for printing." If you click the "Print" button at the top (and bottom) of each page, that is what you will see.

I continue to use Google a lot for searching this site ... it really does pick up things you can't find with the site's search engine.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: D'Ambrosia on November 04, 2009, 12:54:40 AM
When reading through (or about to print) long and reoccurring treads users are able to use this feature to skim through or speed-read the topic without distractions (or waste of color ink), such as images, signatures, avatars, etc…  It does help when looking for specific pieces of information or intently concentrating on reading without all the bells and whistles.

Print Feature: Good.

Search Engine: Bad   
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Conan on November 08, 2009, 11:37:43 PM
Print Feature: Good.

Search Engine: Bad   

Haha...  ;D every review should be done in this style.


D'amb's one-word summations: Good

Lengthy, wordy explanations: Bad


Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 17, 2010, 06:40:14 PM
I did a search before about imdb on google advanced search and it gave me the page I was looking for, but the page came out in the "Formatting For Printing".

I couldn't reply to the post though. Does anyone know how I go about it?

I finished up searching through the off topic forum back five years before I found the topic here on the board and was able to reply. There must be an easier way?
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on September 17, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
You just have to delete the part that says "action=printpage;" from the URL.

From:

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=8396.0

To:

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=8396.0

And never mind the question I asked in that old thread you posted in. ;)
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 17, 2010, 07:56:41 PM
Ahh of course. I knew there had to be an easier way.

Thanks KC. 8)
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on February 03, 2011, 10:52:55 PM
Well this was weird and damn annoying.

I wanted to quote a post of mine in the Aussie Thread where I asked SC, What has happened to summer? I typed that into Googles advanced search and the link to that post pops up, so I click on it, but it sends me to the very first post of the Aussie Thread!

That doesn't help me. >:(
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on February 03, 2011, 11:04:50 PM
http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=8582.msg176632#msg176632 ;)

The Google search result gives you (or it gave me) a "Print Page" result. That gets you the whole thread on one page. Use your browser's search function to find the quote you're looking for on the page, and note the date. You can then find it in the thread ... though in this case, it was quoted in the next post and that link shows up in the "Print Page" format, so I just used that.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on February 03, 2011, 11:24:42 PM
Thanks, but when I used my browser's search function, all I got was a google ad wanting me to upgrade my IE. :(
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on February 03, 2011, 11:57:28 PM
Well, you should be using Firefox. ;)

Seriously, that doesn't sound right. Are you sure you're doing it right? In IE, it's called "Find on this page," in the Edit menu. Or you can just hit Ctrl + F. You should get a small box where you can type in your search. It looks through all the text in the page that's on your screen at the time.

And if you already know the thread you want ... no need to use Google Advanced Search. Just hit "Print" at the top or bottom of any page of the thread, then use "Find" or "Find on this page" to find the post you want.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on February 04, 2011, 12:05:32 AM
Sorry, I wasn't doing it right. When you said click on the search function on your browser that's what I did. Not on Edit, then find on this page.

Now we're cooking with gas. :)

Thanks KC. O0
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on February 04, 2011, 12:49:06 AM
Sorry, I wasn't doing it right. When you said click on the search function on your browser that's what I did. Not on Edit, then find on this page.

Now we're cooking with gas. :)

Thanks KC. O0

Nah, it was my fault ... I shouldn't have said "Search" when I meant "Find"!

But you're welcome!  :)
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on February 05, 2011, 01:03:23 AM
Re using Google...it's even easier if you have the Google Toolbar on Firefox (and probably with IE too - I think it used to work back in the dark ages when I still used it).  You just enter the phrase in the toolbar and hit the "search current site" button (assuming you opted to display it in the toolbar). 8)

I should have done this yesterday when I was searching for a particular post. I've had that toolbar for so long now, but have never used the "search current site" feature. :-[
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on January 06, 2013, 11:05:35 PM
I was wondering, with all the upgrades to this Board, whether the Search function had improved any ... but it doesn't look like it. I'm so used to using Google Advanced Search that I hardly ever use the site's own Search, but tonight I thought I'd try it. Since Downton Abbey, Series Three, is just having its U.S. premiere tonight, I was curious to see what had been said on the Board about it.

With Google's Advanced Search, I got 9 results ... most of them by me or referring to me. I guess I'm the only American fan here! :D

With the site's own search I got ... zero results. That's right, zero ... even when I went to one of the results I got from Google, copied the words from the post and pasted them into the search window. And when I tried just "Downton," I got ... one result, apparently a misspelling of "Downtown." But nothing about the TV series. ???
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 06, 2013, 11:33:40 PM
I always use Google Advance Search and don't bother with this site search engine. :(

Doing that search earlier for Andrew Zuckerman's book on Google I found the old topic in seconds. I didn't bother using the one here. Lucky I didn't, I just tried searching Andrew Zuckerman and the only result I got back was from today's post.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 07, 2016, 09:13:47 PM
I'm searching for a post of mine in the Aussie thread from about 5 or 6 years ago. The search engine here didn't help me and the advanced google search wasn't any better. Which is unusual. The post is a song I wrote to the tune of Billy Joel's, We Didn't Start The Fire.

Any tips on finding it without going through pages and pages?
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Matt on October 07, 2016, 09:57:45 PM
An exact phrase search through Google (putting a string of words in quotes) should turn it up. But, you'll need an exact quote. Can you think of one line from the song?
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Matt on October 07, 2016, 10:03:33 PM
You can do a good Google Search on this site by also Googling like this:

site:Clinteastwood.org/forums

then what you want to search.

This time, I Googled this exact phrase:

site:clinteastwood.org/forums the schofield kid we didn't start the fire

But that phrase didn't come up. But still, the trick is a good tool for searching the forums in the future.

Oh, and for some reason, this result came back #3:

Quote
Show Posts - The Schofield Kid - Clint Eastwood Forums
www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1446;area...;start...
Mar 13, 2005 - Lin,I didn't go to the F1 as I'm not a big fan of motor racing. ... The three things we love are football,beer and women. .... was testing caught fire following a spin at Daytona International Speedway. ... I'll tally the votes at midnight EST and throw off the two movies with the most votes, then start the next round.
  ;D
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on October 08, 2016, 12:41:13 AM
I tried searching "Billy Joel" site:clinteastwood.org, and only got 15 hits, none of them the one you're looking for. Are you sure it was here you posted it? Maybe on Facebook somewhere?

Matt, how is the search you suggested (putting site:clinteastwood.org first—you don't really need the "/forums") different from doing it the other way round? Don't you get the exact same results? And in your example, without quotes, are you really googling an exact phrase?
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 08, 2016, 02:02:31 AM
It was definitely here, in the Aussie thread.

I'll keep searching. (http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/Smileys/default/undecided.gif)
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 08, 2016, 02:04:22 AM
An exact phrase search through Google (putting a string of words in quotes) should turn it up. But, you'll need an exact quote. Can you think of one line from the song?

I can only remember naming the harbour bridge and Paul Hogan for some reason but the whole song was a lot of aussie's and aussie things. I remember the chorus was something about no beer in the esky or something like that.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Matt on October 08, 2016, 02:16:45 AM
Thanks Cookie, I'm having it now. 8)

It's a little warm though, you could have left it in the esky for me. :D

The Google site search link found THIS for me. Still looking.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 08, 2016, 02:20:14 AM
That's more than I got with the esky search.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Matt on October 08, 2016, 02:28:02 AM
I tried searching "Billy Joel" site:clinteastwood.org, and only got 15 hits, none of them the one you're looking for. Are you sure it was here you posted it? Maybe on Facebook somewhere?

Matt, how is the search you suggested (putting site:clinteastwood.org first—you don't really need the "/forums") different from doing it the other way round? Don't you get the exact same results? And in your example, without quotes, are you really googling an exact phrase?

I guess it doesn't matter if the site is first or last, but I just put it first.

I didn't put anything in quotes for an exact phrase search, just what I typed on that line -- I wrote "exact phrase", but really meant to say "exactly":
site:clinteastwood.org/forums the schofield kid we didn't start the fire.  My bad.  :-[


Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Matt on October 08, 2016, 02:33:59 AM
If you posted it here, it didn't have the word Esky in it.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=site:clinteastwood.org+esky

3 results.
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 08, 2016, 02:38:19 AM
If you posted it here, it didn't have the word Esky in it.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=site:clinteastwood.org+esky

3 results.

Really! This is going to bug me until I find it.  >:(
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Matt on October 08, 2016, 02:38:33 AM
And here's the search for Harbour Bridge. Not having luck:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=site:clinteastwood.org+harbour+bridge
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 08, 2016, 02:51:15 AM
Found it!!!!

Got lucky choosing the mid way point of the aussie thread and went about three or four pages.

I think the reason nothing was coming up in the searches was I have the song in the quote format but Billy Joel isn't and should have popped up.

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=8582.msg188382#msg188382
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Matt on October 08, 2016, 02:58:04 AM
That is lucky! So that's interesting about the quote format not working with the site search. And I have no idea why Billy Joel didn't show up -- I tried that too. But, glad you found it! :)
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on October 08, 2016, 08:17:16 AM
I searched the part that isn't in the quotes format, "Lyrics by Tees. Music by Billy Joel," on Google (in quotes, without the site:clinteastwood.org), and got this:

Quote
No results found for "Lyrics by Tees. Music by Billy Joel".

Maybe Google never crawled the page? Maybe it thought, since it was the Aussie thread, its bots were unwelcome? ???
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on October 08, 2016, 08:39:15 AM
I tried several other phrases from that one page with the same null results. Yet it found stuff on neighboring pages. ???
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: KC on October 08, 2016, 08:41:09 AM
And a Forums site search for "Billy Joel" now brings up this page, but not the page we're referencing. Again, what can I say but ???
Title: Re: A better search engine for this site
Post by: Matt on October 08, 2016, 12:21:54 PM

Maybe Google never crawled the page? Maybe it thought, since it was the Aussie thread, its bots were unwelcome? ???

 ;D Well, now we know the Google bots AREN'T Australian.