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Title: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 07, 2009, 07:21:24 AM
I couldn't find a place to put this, so I made a thread because I'm excited that I just got season 1 of "Rawhide" on DVD and have watched the first two episodes.  Yeees!   Maybe we can use this thread to discuss episodes of "Rawhide"
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on March 07, 2009, 04:55:54 PM
I couldn't find a place to put this, so I made a thread because I'm excited that I just got season 1 of "Rawhide" on DVD and have watched the first two episodes.  Yeees!   Maybe we can use this thread to discuss episodes of "Rawhide"

Sounds good to me.   :)      I will be happy to watch season 1 again.   I am looking forward to getting season 3 vol 2.   I do hope they produce all the episodes.   They are quite slow coming out.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 08, 2009, 07:38:20 AM
I've never had the opportunity to see but very few episodes; for some reason, they were never shown in reruns where I live, except on rare occasion.  I'm excited about watching them.  As I already mentioned in another thread, I was surprised to learn the rattlesnake gun from episode 2 was the same one he used in FFD and FFDM. 

I watched the Executioner episode last night.  I liked.  He wasn't as mysterious and scary as he probably would have been portrayed in shows today.  It was nice seeing actors that I recognized who would get bigger roles later in their career.  Which reminds me, I believe one of the prisoners from the first episode was the police and police chief from "Play Misty..." and "Dirty Harry."
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Doug on March 08, 2009, 07:53:58 AM
Which reminds me, I believe one of the prisoners from the first episode was the police and police chief from "Play Misty..." and "Dirty Harry."

John Larch?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 08, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
John Larch?

After looking it up, John Larch is correct.  I'm terrible with names, so I just have to describe people.  I spend half my time saying, "it's the guy with long hair who hit the guy in the first scene who had a big nose..............."  ;D  I guess learning names would be easier.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 08, 2009, 03:54:44 PM
I've now watched the first five episodes, and everyone will probably think I'm crazy and quickly have me put in a mental institution like in "Changeling,"  but the format of Rawhide reminds me of the original "Star Trek."  Here is this crew on a mission, and they always run into off the wall situations, like the church in the middle of nowhere and the guy who wants to start a confederacy in Panama.  The situations even affects the guys mentally and causes them to turn against each other.  And another similarity is that if someone from their party gets killed, it's someone that you've never seen before.   Since Rawhide came first, perhaps Star Trek copied their format, or, perhaps I'm just crazy. ;D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on March 08, 2009, 07:43:28 PM
I think it was quite common for dramatic TV series to have roughly that format, at least those where the premise was that the characters were on a journey from somewhere to somewhere. Basically, you had a small group of recurring actors, but the shows were mostly not about them, but about the people they encountered in their travels, and these would be played by guest stars, often movie actors trying to revive fading careers. Another show like that from around that time, but in a contemporary setting, was the two-guys-and-a-Corvette drama Route 66 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_66_(TV_series)).

It's actually a very old literary genre ... you could trace it all the way back to Homer's Odyssey: Guy moves around, meets interesting people and encounters interesting events, interacts with them in some way, and then moves on to the next place and never hears anything about them again. In the Spanish Golden Age, they called it "picaresque" (that actually refers to a satiric subgenre where the hero is a rogue and the intent is to show up the foibles of the society he moves through). It's also familiar as a film genre; in that case, we call it the "road movie," and Clint made a few of 'em (the Which Way movies and Honkytonk Man).
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 21, 2009, 11:04:06 AM
For those who are much more familiar with "Rawhide" than I am, during what season did Clint get out of the boyish, green stage and become a full adult?   I'm assuming that happened.  Also, I am only familiar with season 1 and have some questions about the drive.  I'm assuming they experienced several different drives over the run of the show; was there ever an episode where they actually reached the end of a drive and delivered the cattle, or was the entire series just one, long, continuous drive?  Did they have different trails or was it always the same one.  I noticed that it appeared to be their first time on the Sedalia trail during season 1.


Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on July 28, 2009, 01:16:57 PM
Bump.  Just wondering if anyone can answer my questions from my last post.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: cigar joe on July 28, 2009, 04:29:37 PM
Bump.  Just wondering if anyone can answer my questions from my last post.

Yes there was one episode where they reached the end at Sedalia,  they then got their money & went their separate ways. The next episode followed Favor to Philadelphia where we met his kids. This was early in the seasons 2 or 3 at the end.

I watched it a lot as a kid but don't remember Clint as the Trail Boss or the color seasons so he may have in those.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on July 28, 2009, 05:03:50 PM
"The color seasons"? I thought it never went to color.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Richard Earl on July 28, 2009, 10:58:52 PM
"The color seasons"? I thought it never went to color.

It didn't.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on July 29, 2009, 06:04:39 AM
So, did Rowdy ever mature a bit and become less hot headed and getting bent out of shape every time he met a woman?  In season one, it seemed like a woman could easily turn Rowdy against the others.  Did Favor ever stop viewing Rowdy as a greenhorn?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: cigar joe on July 29, 2009, 03:30:19 PM
Ive been watching the new releases on DVD and so far no Rowdy is still goofy Rowdy. After Favor left the show Rowdy was trailboss  but I don't remember those either. Some place I though I read about color episodes of Rawhide I never remember seeing them though. Maybe they were contemplating doing it for a possible season 9 that's all I recall.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 23, 2009, 02:03:59 AM
I watched the first episode of season 1 tonight. It's the first time I've seen an episode of the series. I've only ever seen snippets before.

I really enjoyed it. I think the reason being that even though it's 50 years old, to me, it's brand new, having never seen any episodes before.

I liked seeing a couple of familiar faces in the cast that would appear in later Eastwood films. I suppose there will be a lot of spot the costars in coming episodes as well.

The only problem I now face is, do I take my time with these 22 episodes since it took three years to finally get the DVD's of season 1, & who knows how long before we get to season 2, but holding back on watching the rest may be too hard.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: higashimori on September 23, 2009, 03:57:48 PM
 :)  Finally, SK !   I hope that you liked " Rawhide " very much !    :D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on September 23, 2009, 06:22:57 PM

I really enjoyed it. I think the reason being that even though it's 50 years old, to me, it's brand new, having never seen any episodes before.

The only problem I now face is, do I take my time with these 22 episodes since it took three years to finally get the DVD's of season 1, & who knows how long before we get to season 2, but holding back on watching the rest may be too hard.


I'm half way through season 2 and am really enjoying it.  I think the episodes get even better.  For some reason, it took me a few episodes for it to grow on me, but now I really look forward to watching an episode.  And I too haven't seen them before, so it's like a brand new show.  I think it was ahead of it's time.  Some of the writing reminds me of today's shows with all the twists and turns.  It's not one of those shows where you figure out how it will end in the first 15 minutes.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: AnecdotistOwl on October 30, 2009, 06:54:32 AM
So I (FINALLY) ordered Rawhide online some days ago and got it in the mail today. I just saw the first episode and although I have to admit I had my doubts whether or not the series would be, lets say intellectually stimulating, I actually thought it was very smart played out. I'm completely in love with the scene where they have to transport the prison wagon over the stream.

And also I thought it was a very smart thing to have a great deal of focus on the prisoner characters as well, made it more colorful I think.

The only complaints I have is regarding the dvd box I bought. Now its called "Rawhide Vol. 1" (it's a swedish edition btw) and on the back of each dvd case in the box there's info of each episode and says there's three of them on each dvd (three dvds). The first thing I noticed, to my suprise was that there was 4 episodes och two of the dvds and three on the last. Now that's just lame by the publishers to fail like that (not on the "I got more episodes, yay"-part but on the info part. I want info of all of the episodes. I think that's lazy work.

But anyway, that makes a total of 11 episodes and that ought to be the first half of the first season, right? Now I'm just hoping that they will release Vol. 2 and so further because this is awesome stuff.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: antonis on November 23, 2009, 11:17:28 AM
Any news about season 4?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on December 24, 2009, 11:49:31 AM
Any news about season 4?

I haven't heard anything.  Amazon lists Dec. 2008 as the release date of the last vol. of season 3.  That may not be a good sign being so much time since it was released. 
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on December 30, 2009, 02:17:11 PM
I've just got to say that I am absolutely loving Rawhide.  I have a life, so I'm not able to go through the seasons very quickly, I recently finished season 2, vol. I, but during my Christmas vacation, I'm getting to watch more.  I got another vol. for Christmas and am looking forward to it.  It's not just Clint's presence that causes me to like it.  These shows are very well written and suspenseful.   I watched "Incident of the Wanted Painter" last night with an actor named Robert Lowery.  He bore a striking resemblance to Clark Gable, I even thought he talked like him.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Richard Earl on January 11, 2010, 07:43:22 PM
I do need to get the dvd's. I grew up watching that show on Sundays with my dad.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 18, 2010, 05:23:24 PM
So, I wonder what is with the slow release on season 4?  One would think the current popularity of Clint would cause it to be a seller. 
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 24, 2010, 04:31:05 PM
I noticed that all 6 seasons of "Daniel Boone" are released.  I wouldn't have thought it was more popular than "Rawhide."
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Clint Eastwood Fan on March 25, 2010, 07:29:29 PM
I read  last year that the Western Channel has picked up Rawhide and it's supposed to air sometime in 2010.  Does anyone know when it's supposed to start airing?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on March 25, 2010, 07:44:42 PM
"Sometime next year" (which would be 2010), according to the story in the Hollywood Reporter back on Sept 29, 2009:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i9ba294d3ac964cbd82794ee64ff19e30

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Premium movie outlet Encore has acquired the rights to air several classic Western series from CBS TV Distribution, including "Gunsmoke" and "Rawhide."

Black and white episodes of "Gunsmoke" will return to TV in January on the company's Encore Westerns channel, with "Have Gun Will Travel" and "Rawhide" airing sometime next year.

You might try contacting the channel to find out more about it. I searched the site and came up empty.

http://www.starz.com/channels/encore/encorewesterns/
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Clint Eastwood Fan on March 25, 2010, 09:15:17 PM
"Sometime next year" (which would be 2010), according to the story in the Hollywood Reporter back on Sept 29, 2009:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i9ba294d3ac964cbd82794ee64ff19e30

You might try contacting the channel to find out more about it. I searched the site and came up empty.

http://www.starz.com/channels/encore/encorewesterns/

Thanks KC. 
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on April 03, 2010, 12:07:13 AM
Do any of you have the complete Rawhide box set, all 217 episodes region free. I am looking to buy them but I don't know what the quality of the dvds are? I would be grateful for any help thanks ;D
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:w44bWAfKRtmYxM:http://www.coopersjd.com/images/P/9030D-01-01.jpg)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: antonis on April 03, 2010, 01:24:51 AM
Do any of you have the complete Rawhide box set, all 217 episodes region free. I am looking to buy them but I don't know what the quality of the dvds are? I would be grateful for any help thanks ;D
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:w44bWAfKRtmYxM:http://www.coopersjd.com/images/P/9030D-01-01.jpg)

I read somewhere (don't recall where exactly) that the quality is awfull.These are dvd-r and not dvd discs.Anyway I guess I'll have to buy the set soon or later,since CBS is delaying the release of the other seasons.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on April 03, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
Cheers antonis O0
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 01, 2010, 02:14:42 AM
Just got season one and watched the first episode....and loved it. :)

Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: El bueno on May 01, 2010, 02:21:48 AM
Do any of you have the complete Rawhide box set, all 217 episodes region free. I am looking to buy them but I don't know what the quality of the dvds are? I would be grateful for any help thanks ;D
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:w44bWAfKRtmYxM:http://www.coopersjd.com/images/P/9030D-01-01.jpg)

Depends what was used as the source, last year I got all 217 episodes sent to me from a friend in the US, all were watchable no prob.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on May 01, 2010, 03:53:45 AM
Just got season one and watched the first episode....and loved it. :)

First time you've seen the series, SC?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 01, 2010, 04:11:48 AM
First time you've seen the series, SC?

Yep and loving it.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on May 01, 2010, 02:47:37 PM
Depends what was used as the source, last year I got all 217 episodes sent to me from a friend in the US, all were watchable no prob.
Thanks,much appreciated, 1-malpaso-fan O0
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 07, 2010, 07:09:42 PM
Watched the third episode last night and I'm hooked. Me thinks I'll be spending a lot more time in the garage.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on May 08, 2010, 03:43:14 AM
I keep hoping the 4th season will come out soon.  I have a special shelf for the Rawhide DVD's and can take one down when I have a half an hour to spare and just sit and watch one episode.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 22, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Up to the 11th episode of season one and you can slowly see Rowdy's character starting to mature even though he can be a little hot headed at times.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 23, 2010, 12:12:54 AM
"Incident of the curious street" episode has a Newton House in the dead town as they called it. I'm pretty sure there is a Newton House in Hang'em High ???
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on May 23, 2010, 09:22:48 AM
Where in Hang 'em High would that be, SC?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 23, 2010, 11:44:30 AM
Where in Hang 'em High would that be, SC?

Behind the gallows.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 23, 2010, 04:11:52 PM
Here it is in Eastwood Locations.

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=5067.msg144211#msg144211 (http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=5067.msg144211#msg144211)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 28, 2010, 03:47:45 PM
In their adventures along the Sedalia trail, do you ever see them delivering the herd to the markets?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on June 05, 2010, 01:00:45 AM
Season 2 Episode 1, the Rowdy show from go to woe. :o
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on June 07, 2010, 12:54:26 AM
Still on season one here.

Viewed the episode The Incident Of The Calico Gun today with very special guest star Jack Lord. He played a real salty looking dude in this. Complete change from his Steve McGarrett role in Hawaii 5-0. He and his brothers try and rob the boys when the pay master comes along.

It took me half an episode to figure out who the actor was playing one of Jack Lord's brother's was. It was Gene Collins from Kelly's Heroes.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on June 15, 2010, 07:48:24 AM
In their adventures along the Sedalia trail, do you ever see them delivering the herd to the markets?


I believe they reach market sometime in season 3.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on June 15, 2010, 11:21:10 PM
Thanks herofan. :)

More and more well known actors starting to pop up now in Season 2. Just saw Gene Evans who I remembered from MASH (Clayton Kibbee) and Harry Dean Stanton in the episode Incident at the Buffalo Smokehouse. Also Cesar Romero who played The Joker in the original Batman 1966 movie in Incident of the Stalking Death.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on July 10, 2010, 01:48:50 AM
I just watched  Incident of the 100 Amulets episode and I immediately thought it was a coming of age for Rowdy/Clint.

You can see the clenched teeth while saying the line
Quote
Better do more than point a gun at me, mister!

Slowly you can see over the initial episodes, he becomes more than a Ramrod but a handy gunfighter. Rowdy matures in a way that I would like to explain but watching Rawhide in itself is a better explanation so to speak.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on July 19, 2010, 08:54:21 PM
Well it took me ten months but I've finally gotten through all 22 episodes of season 1.

Throughly enjoyable and I kind of liked only watching an episode now and again.

More and more well known actors starting to pop up now in Season 2.

That's cool. I thought there were plenty in the first season, so that's something to look forward to.

Was it normal back then for the credits to be at the end of the show? Sometimes I'll see someone and recognise them but have to wait until the end of the show to see who it was.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on July 20, 2010, 02:00:03 AM
Nearly finished watching Season 2 and this show gets better with age. Some of the cheesy edges get refined and now some of the episodes become less dramatic but are made up more of the comradely of the drovers and their relationships.

Confidence in the acting seems to flow on, maybe that they know another season is immanent.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on July 24, 2010, 04:50:58 AM
OK, can somebody explain this?

As I said, I finished watching Season 1 last week. 22 episodes on the DVD's. According to epguides.com, there were 23 episodes.

I haven't opened season 2 yet, but according to ezydvd, the final episode of season 1, Incident Of The Roman Candles is the second episode on the season 2 DVD's.

What the heck is going on?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on July 24, 2010, 06:52:29 AM
OK, can somebody explain this?

As I said, I finished watching Season 1 last week. 22 episodes on the DVD's. According to epguides.com, there were 23 episodes.

I haven't opened season 2 yet, but according to ezydvd, the final episode of season 1, Incident Of The Roman Candles is the second episode on the season 2 DVD's.

What the heck is going on?

On my boxed set of series 1 the last episode is Incident Of The Roman Candles and is #23 on disc 7.   Then on Disc 1 series 2,  episode #2 is Incident Of The Roman Candles
   Therefore some of us have that episode twice!!   :D     Yes I agree very confusing
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on July 24, 2010, 06:52:47 PM
Looking at "The Rawhide Years" link on this site, the episode Incident Of The Roman Candles is the second episode of Season 2.

At epguides that episode aired July 10, 1959. Which puts it at the end of season 1 & before season 2.

http://www.epguides.com/Rawhide/

http://www.clinteastwood.net/rawhide/episodes/
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on July 25, 2010, 01:39:51 AM
Kid,  according to IMDb, Incident of the Roman Candles, Original Air Date was 25 September 1959 (Season 2, Episode 2)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0683103/
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on July 29, 2010, 02:22:23 PM
OK, can somebody explain this?

As I said, I finished watching Season 1 last week. 22 episodes on the DVD's. According to epguides.com, there were 23 episodes.

I haven't opened season 2 yet, but according to ezydvd, the final episode of season 1, Incident Of The Roman Candles is the second episode on the season 2 DVD's.

What the heck is going on?


Although it is the last episode on the Season 1 DVD set, it has "second season" in parentheses.  I took it to be a bonus episode to get everyone fired up to purchase season 2 as well. 
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on August 11, 2010, 06:06:14 PM
I just have to say, Rawhide is a great show that keeps my interest, and it's not a show that I know what the outcome will be in the first 15 minutes.  I just watched "Incident of the Stargazer" from season 2 and it was a great episode.  It had a bit of an Alfred Hitchcock flavor.  Pete sees a woman dropped off a stagecoach in the middle of nowhere.  Apparently she has been back East because she was sick, and is to meet her husband there and go back to their ranch.  When he doesn't show up, Pete takes her to her ranch.  She recognizes everyone there except the man who says he's her husband.  I won't spoil it.
Anyway, great show!  I hope they release all the seasons.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on August 14, 2010, 03:32:38 AM
Watched "Incident of the Night Visitor " and I loved it. A little bit predictable but has one of those feel good endings.

This one shares and involves what's coming to be now to be the main stay actors in the series. You can see the roots setting in the ground so to speak.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on August 27, 2010, 06:50:05 PM
"Incident of the Buffalo Soldier" was an all Eastwood episode, where he befriends Corporal Gabe Washington played by Woody Strode. This loose canon Corporal is always getting into trouble because he always looks after number 1, himself.

Rowdy sees the good side of him and will stop at nothing to prove that, even literally fighting through his stubbornness.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on September 06, 2010, 01:41:22 PM
I have just watched the very first episode of Rawhide,"Incident of the Tumbleweed Wagon".

This was on TCM and a real joy to see again.

The episode wasn't a classic but it did have it's good moments. ...

It's marvellous I have been waiting all this time to watch Rawhide when suddenly it's not only back on UKtv it's also available on dvd (region 2) from HMV.

This is not the region 2 [Dutch Import] but a brand new release from revelationfilms :)

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/simpleMultiSearch.do?searchUID=&pGroupID=0&adultFlag=false&primaryID=0&simpleSearchString=rawhide+season+1&btnSubmitSearch.x=16&btnSubmitSearch.y=12
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on September 08, 2010, 07:50:41 AM
I just watched "Incident at Alabaster Plain" :)

A particularly good episode and in this one we get to see how Rowdy Yates acquired his gun with the famous walnut silverplated snake handled grips.

(http://www.sixtiescity.com/Mbeat/ce1.gif)

http://www.sixtiescity.com/Mbeat/mbfilms7.htm

KC,  Great post about how Rowdy Yates acquired his gun, (Clint's Guns thread) O0

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=4347.msg12685#msg12685

Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on September 09, 2010, 06:58:37 AM
Today I watched "Incident with an Executioner".

This was my least Favourite Episode so far! 

The story involved a stagecoach, which was full of passengers, being stalked by a mysterious rider with a black satchel.The stagecoach loses control and turns over with all the passengers inside.Gil Favor, the trail boss lets the passengers ride with the drive. He then becomes aware that the mysterious figure is now Stalking then!

Most of the action takes place around the camp fire or on the drive and it features all the main characters :)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on September 13, 2010, 10:51:49 AM
I watched 4 more tasty Episodes of Rawhide over the weekend,all of these were most fulfilling. :)

"Incident of the Widowed Dove"

"Incident on the Edge of Madness"

"Incident of the Power and the Plow"
 
"Incident at Barker Springs"

Incident of the Widowed Dove was directed by Ted Post (Hang 'Em High  and Magnum Force)

I also recognized the Star Trek actor,DeForest Kelley ( Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy) playing the part of the villain,Slate Prell in Incident at Barker Springs.

All these stories were very interesting to watch and I am now getting quite addicted to this classic show O0
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on September 16, 2010, 02:07:57 AM
Watched "Incident of the Boomerang" with Woody Strode as the Aboriginal with an American accent.(terrible)

It did remind me of my childhood learning how to throw a boomerang with my brother in the park at the end of the street. Michael Pate was very good in this episode. Well worth watching.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on October 15, 2010, 10:08:09 PM
Season 2 Episode 1, the Rowdy show from go to woe. :o

Just watched this episode and from the very beginning, it's all Rowdy. He even does the little monologue on the trail at the start that was always done by Gil Favor in Season 1. Looking forward to seeing the other episodes SC has spoken about being all Rowdy.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on December 30, 2010, 12:39:49 AM
Yesterday I watched "The Peddler" and what was funny was when Rowdy and Gil were sitting side by side on their horses. Gil then turned his horse to ride off but he turned towards Rowdy horse and the head of Gil's horse nearly took Rowdy's head off. Luckily Rowdy ducked his head just in time. ;D

Season 4, Episode 15.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on January 08, 2011, 12:04:57 AM
In "The Woman Trap" you'll see a very familiar face in Marion Ross from "Happy Days". Gees that brought back some memories.

In the following episode "The Boss's Daughters", Gill's daughters have the responsibility of calling out a famous line from the series.

At the end of "Deserter's Patrol", Pete Nolan leaves the drive for another job. (Or does he?)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on January 09, 2011, 12:46:38 PM
I have recently watched the season 3 episodes wher they come to the end of the drive at  Sadalia and they were all great episodes.  They were

"Incident....

.....Near the Promised Land"
.....Of the Big Blow Out"
.....Of the Fish Out of Water"
.....On the Road Back"

I'm ready for "Incident of the New Start."
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on January 09, 2011, 01:43:58 PM
Yep, there were great herofan. ;)

In the "The Greedy Town" Charles H. Gray gets billing in the opening credits and plays Clay Forrester. He's been in a few episodes before but it's pretty much all him in this one. Pete Nolan seems to be gone but at the end of "Deserter's Patrol", when he decides to leave, it was a pretty lame acting performance by Sheb not that the writers gave him much to work with. He said he didn't want to leave the drive and then 2 seconds later he changes his mind just because the Army needs him. Give me a break.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on January 10, 2011, 04:55:00 AM
Yep, there were great herofan. ;)

In the "The Greedy Town" Charles H. Gray gets billing in the opening credits and plays Clay Forrester. He's been in a few episodes before but it's pretty much all him in this one. Pete Nolan seems to be gone but at the end of "Deserter's Patrol", when he decides to leave, it was a pretty lame acting performance by Sheb not that the writers gave him much to work with. He said he didn't want to leave the drive and then 2 seconds later he changes his mind just because the Army needs him. Give me a break.

What season are these episodes?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on January 10, 2011, 03:52:47 PM
Season 4. "The Greedy Town" is episode 19.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on January 16, 2011, 04:28:40 PM
I just watched a 3rd season episode called "Incident of the Boomerang."  I thought it funny that Wishbone unintentionally gave Mushy the middle finger.   Wish asked for a pitcher of water.  They were low, so Mushy only brought a tiny bit.  Wish rubbed his middle finger in it and held it in front of Mushy's face and made a comment. 

I remember seeing where a comedian gave the middle finger in a 60s episode of Ed Sullivan once and got in trouble; he said he didn't know what it meant.  I wonder if it was no big deal in the early 60s?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on January 16, 2011, 08:51:12 PM
I have just started to watch them all again.  So far I am up to starting disc 2 season 1.    I like the Incident With An Executioner. It brought out all sorts of things with the people involved.   Alabaster Plain is pretty good too.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on January 21, 2011, 06:15:41 PM
Interesting to see the amount of 'well known' actors is increasing with every season proving that it must of been a very successful series back in the day. Yesterday I watched "The Child-Woman" with a return appearance of Cesar Romero who played the Joker in the original series of Batman.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on February 04, 2011, 07:22:19 PM
Was the Sedalia trail the only trail they used in the entire 8 seasons?  I am in season three where they reached Sedalia, then went back to Texas and started another drive on the Sedalia Trail.  The weird part is they act like it's all new to them instead of being familiar.  I wonder why?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on February 04, 2011, 07:27:24 PM
Thanks herofan. :)

More and more well known actors starting to pop up now in Season 2. Just saw Gene Evans who I remembered from MASH (Clayton Kibbee) and Harry Dean Stanton in the episode Incident at the Buffalo Smokehouse.

I just watched this episode and it also starred Vera Miles (Psycho) and Jack Weston (High Road To China). :)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on February 11, 2011, 04:23:39 PM
Watched the first episode of Season 5 which was "Incident of the Portrait" but IMDb has it as the second episode. ???

Frank Trask played by John Ireland and Marion Curtis played by Nina Shipman are the central characters. The two are drawn together by circumstance as Frank has unknowingly killed Marion's father.

Great acting by those two along with Ted Post who did a fine job directing this episode and with new opening credits, it certainly gained my attention.

Edit: I almost forgot, they put a map of the different trails between San Antonio, Sadalia and other towns at the start of the episode.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on February 28, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
Was the Sedalia trail the only trail they used in the entire 8 seasons?  I am in season three where they reached Sedalia, then went back to Texas and started another drive on the Sedalia Trail.  The weird part is they act like it's all new to them instead of being familiar.  I wonder why?


My question was answered as I started watching season 4.  They started a new drive on the Chisum trail, and this time, Favor owns the cows.  It's odd; they ended the first drive at Sedalia in the middle of season 3, took a few episodes off from the trail to regroup and started another drive to Sedalia.  Then, at the beginning of season 4, they apparently have reached Sedalia again and are ready for a new drive.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on March 08, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
Just watched the second season episode, Incident of The Stargazer and not a shot of Rowdy in the whole show! I hope there aren't too many like that?

I've noticed a few epiosodes in this second season including this one where most of the action takes place away from the trail and drovers and the story only involves one or two of the main characters.

Incident of The Stargazer is a Pete Nolan episode with a bit of help from Mushy half way through. Only one scene involves the rest of the gang minus Rowdy.

This episode also featured Buddy Ebsen in a bad guy role! :o
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on March 08, 2011, 11:12:27 PM
Just watched the second season episode, Incident of The Stargazer and not a shot of Rowdy in the whole show! I hope there aren't too many like that?

There are a few like that when you don't see him except at the very start or end of the episode. I don't mind as long as it's a good episode to watch.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 10, 2011, 06:10:35 PM
I'm about half way through season 4 and there have been 3 or 4 episodes where Rowdy doesn't appear at all.  His whereabouts aren't mentioned in the episodes either.  I don't think he's ever missing in back to back episodes, but I suppose they weren't necessarily aired in the order they were filmed.  I wonder if he was doing another project that took him away for a few episodes?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 19, 2011, 11:22:24 AM
I'm about half way through season 4 and there have been 3 or 4 episodes where Rowdy doesn't appear at all.  His whereabouts aren't mentioned in the episodes either.  I don't think he's ever missing in back to back episodes, but I suppose they weren't necessarily aired in the order they were filmed.  I wonder if he was doing another project that took him away for a few episodes?


As I continue to watch season 4, Clint is absent in about every other episode.  What was going on?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on March 23, 2011, 09:31:45 PM
I just watched the second season episode ( yes, I know I'm way behind :-[ ) Incident of the Music Maker and had to have a chuckle when I saw Rowdy with a Spencer Rifle that he won in a poker game. He was quite handy with it too. 8)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on March 23, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
Hit a bird in the eye, flying. ;)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on March 23, 2011, 10:41:19 PM
Hit a bird in the eye, flying. ;)

;D

Actually he was only shooting at a bit of paper nailed to a tree about 20 yards away. :D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 24, 2011, 03:32:28 PM

As I continue to watch season 4, Clint is absent in about every other episode.  What was going on?

As I continue season 4, Gil Favor is spread a little thin in several episodes too; he is totally absent in a few.  Pete left the drive too and was replaced by another guy.  Perhaps all this is why the ratings started dropping in this season. 
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on March 24, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
As I continue season 4, Gil Favor is spread a little thin in several episodes too; he is totally absent in a few.  Pete left the drive too and was replaced by another guy.  Perhaps all this is why the ratings started dropping in this season. 

Yes, I miss Pete although he does come back for another 9 episodes later on.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on March 27, 2011, 07:44:26 PM
After taking ten months to go through season 1, I got better with season 2 and did it in half the time. Only 5 months. :D

The last few episodes of Season 2 seem to be a lot better than the others to me. One episode (Incident Of The Silent Web) had a girl who witnessed her father being murdered and becomes mute joining the trail with a convict on the run posing as her father.

Incident Of The Last Chance has a newly married couple joining the trail till they get to a relatives ranch. The husband is a timid sort of fellow and his wife tries to boss him around. She gets a good spanking over his knee at the end of the episode.

The final episode of Season 2, has John Ireland guest starring and even has an appearance by Geoffrey Walcott. The last couple of episode were without Eric Fleming, with Rowdy doing the, "Head 'em up, move 'em out" call and Wishbone doing it in the last episode.



Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on March 27, 2011, 08:29:56 PM
I've finally sent for Season One. (Yes, I've avoided acquiring any Rawhide DVDs until now.)

If it comes in time ... I'll be able to join you for the "Rawhide Movie Night" next Sunday! :)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on March 28, 2011, 07:01:31 AM
I do hope you get it in time to join us KC.  :)    I am still waiting for season 5 to be sent from Ezydvd Australia.  It is still out of stock.  :(
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on April 01, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
Season 5 came today and I notice from the Ezydvd web site that season 6 can now be pre-ordered.  :)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on April 03, 2011, 02:48:26 PM
It's been a while but I just watched "Incident of the Tumbleweed"  for the 2nd time. 8)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on April 03, 2011, 02:49:31 PM
It's been a while but I just watched "Incident of the Tumbleweed"  for the 2nd time. 8)

Me too. :D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on April 03, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
I watched it for the 4th time I think.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Elizabeth77 on April 03, 2011, 03:17:21 PM
It's been a while but I just watched "Incident of the Tumbleweed"  for the 2nd time. 8)

Me, too.  :)

I'm really going to have to break down and buy Season 1 so I can watch the rest of them as I have time.  Competition for the two copies that my library system holds is pretty keen and I'm not here in the summer when there are fewer library patrons about.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on April 03, 2011, 03:24:43 PM
I'm really going to have to break down and buy Season 1 so I can watch the rest of them as I have time.  Competition for the two copies that my library system holds is pretty keen and I'm not here in the summer when there are fewer library patrons about.

You won't regret it, E77.

I just started watching season 3 on the weekend and still have season 4 & 5 sitting on my shelf with season 6 coming out next month. I just love sitting down somedays while having lunch to watch an episode. It's the first time I've ever seen these shows so it's like they're brand new not 50 years old! :o
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on April 04, 2011, 02:27:30 AM
It's the first time I've ever seen these shows so it's like they're brand new not 50 years old! :o

50 years old!  That is so scary SK.  I saw them the first time around.  I still love watching them and they seem so natural in black and white.   I have pre-ordered season 6 with Ezydvd.  Only two seasons left.  Like you SK I will watch a couple of episodes when I have a little time to spare, like doing the ironing or hand sewing.  :)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on April 17, 2011, 06:16:20 PM
I'm into the first few episodes of season 5 now and notice they are using plots where everyone is near the cattle drive again.  I've noticed that Favor gets upset a lot and gets that high pitched voice that is a bit annoying.  In "Prodigal Son," a young boy shoves him from behind and Favor practically "went off".  That's a very different personality from the other leading western characters of the time, which is fine, but I didn't notice it so much in earlier seasons.

I also notice he wears a rather homely looking hat by now; it even has a small tear on the front of the brim.  It's a version of the hat he always wore, but rather sad looking.

But hey, I still love the show and watch whenever I can.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on April 18, 2011, 12:15:15 AM
I've noticed that Favor gets upset a lot and gets that high pitched voice that is a bit annoying.

Yeah, I've noticed that too. Rowdy and Wishbone seem to take turns in cooling him down but I suppose he is missing his daughters and that would be in the back of his mind.

Your right, I still love watching the show too.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on May 10, 2011, 12:23:55 AM
Just watched "Incident of the Pale Rider", spooky episode. :o
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on May 10, 2011, 01:53:58 AM
Just watched "Incident of the Pale Rider", spooky episode. :o

I wonder if that episode stayed in Clint's mind for later?   
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on May 29, 2011, 07:36:39 PM
I just watched the season 3 episode, Incident of the Slavemaster with special guest star Peter Lorre and John Agar.

Great episode. 8)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on June 24, 2011, 12:48:07 AM
At the start of Incident at Paradise is classic Eastwood scene. It's like he's warming up for the trilogy. ^-^ (Season 6 Episode 5)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on June 27, 2011, 08:29:22 PM
Robert Culp guest stars in the season 3 episode Incident at the Top of the World. he plays an ex civil war soldier who's been in a hospital ever since the war ended. A doctor convinces Gil to take him along the trail even though he's addicted to morphine pills.

Great episode. I only remember seeing Robert Culp in a few Columbo episodes but as he showed in those, he's great in this as well.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on June 28, 2011, 11:48:17 PM
I watched the season 3 episode where they finally ended the trail at Sedalia. There was an actor in it that Rowdy shoots that I could of sworn was Earl Hindman from the tv series Home Improvement but the final credits said it was an actor by the name of Myron Healey. The resemblence was uncanny.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on June 29, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
I have recently watched the season 3 episodes wher they come to the end of the drive at  Sadalia and they were all great episodes.  They were

"Incident....

.....Near the Promised Land"
.....Of the Big Blow Out"
.....Of the Fish Out of Water"
.....On the Road Back"

I'm ready for "Incident of the New Start."

I saw these episodes in the last couple of days and they were great. I don't know if it was because the trail had ended and seeing everyone in fancy duds or what, but they were really enjoyable. The Fish Out Of Water episode with Gil back home in Philadelphia with his two girls and sister in law are just so different from the other episodes but no less enjoyable.

And everytime I see Rowdy with that bowler hat on, I think it's Joe Kidd! :D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: antonis on July 04, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
season 5 "Incident of the Black Ace".


The gypsy predicts Rowdy's future: "You'll earn money. More money.Marry a black haired woman. Have five children. Live long......".
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on July 04, 2011, 11:42:12 AM
season 5 "Incident of the Black Ace".


The gypsy predicts Rowdy's future: "You'll earn money. More money.Marry a black haired woman. Have five children. Live long......".

Except for underestimating the number of children, that was a pretty accurate description of Clint's future! Spooky, isn't it! :o ;)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on July 11, 2011, 06:38:12 AM
Except for underestimating the number of children, that was a pretty accurate description of Clint's future! Spooky, isn't it! :o ;)

Very Spooky! :o
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on August 04, 2011, 09:11:29 PM
Watched "Incident of the Boomerang" with Woody Strode as the Aboriginal with an American accent.(terrible)

It did remind me of my childhood learning how to throw a boomerang with my brother in the park at the end of the street. Michael Pate was very good in this episode. Well worth watching.

Just saw this episode today and it was a good one. Good to see Michael Pate playing an Aussie and not an indian for a change.

Memo for all the ladies: Clint has his shirt off in one scene of this episode. :D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on August 05, 2011, 01:19:05 AM
Just watched Incident of the Odyssey and it's a classic in so many ways. (Season 6 Disc 6).

Don't want to give the plot away, but it's a goody.  Grumpy Favor gets some good advice. ;)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on August 25, 2011, 12:42:20 AM
The start of Season 7 has new opening credits with metal sculptured heads of Gil, Rowdy and Wishbone and more... :-X
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on August 26, 2011, 12:53:42 AM
In The Enormous Fist(Season 7 Episode 2), Lee Van Cleef didn't even last 5 mins into the episode before he gets killed. :o
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on August 26, 2011, 12:57:39 AM
In The Enormous Fist(Season 7 Episode 2), Lee Van Cleef didn't even last 5 mins into the episode before he gets killed. :o

Spoiler alerts Please!

Just kidding, by the time I get around to season 7, I will have forgotten. ;D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on August 26, 2011, 01:06:18 AM
Well, to be honest I only gave out half the information. The how and by who.  :o
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on August 26, 2011, 03:59:40 AM
Duh!!!    I thought I had pre-ordered Season 7 but I hadn't.    I have ordered it now but at the moment it is out of stock.    I have pre-ordered Season 8 so as not to miss out on the last Season.   I have been using Ezydvd in Australia.  Amazon in the UK is ages behind them.  :o

Started to watch season 5 all the way through.  There are some really well known faces in the episodes.  As I have mentioned before the Rawhide series has stood the test of time very well.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on August 30, 2011, 01:13:50 AM
Just watched Incident of the Backshooter(Season 7, Episode 5). Clint episode from go to woe. It's a must see. Good plot, great acting and a few funny moments, including a sign on a side of a building that said UNDERTAKER in large letters and AND DENTIST underneath in smaller letters. ;D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on August 30, 2011, 08:29:53 AM
Just recorded "Incident of the Sharpshooter"... Is that a good one ?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on August 31, 2011, 12:22:25 AM
Just recorded "Incident of the Sharpshooter"... Is that a good one ?

Yep, it's a good one.

Rowdy gets framed for murder.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 16, 2011, 11:16:14 PM
New credits for the second last episode from season 3. The ladies should enjoy it as when Clint's name comes onscreen, there's a shot of him without his shirt on and that cheeky grin of his. :D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 17, 2011, 08:40:16 PM
Have finally finished season 3. :D

As I've mentioned before, I'm not a fan of the episodes where it's only one or two of the main cast and I think I read here before that Clint goes missing for a few episodes in Season 4 too! :o
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 18, 2011, 08:26:11 PM
Just watched the first episode of season 4, with Tom Tully guest starring as Rowdy's father.

I had a chuckle when Rowdy said "I'm not a bounty hunter!"

What is going on though? They're about to start another drive. The first drive finished half way through season 3 and they started another drive but it didn't finish during the last episode of season 3.

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on September 19, 2011, 05:34:38 PM
Just watched the first episode of season 4, with Tom Tully guest starring as Rowdy's father.

I had a chuckle when Rowdy said "I'm not a bounty hunter!"

What is going on though? They're about to start another drive. The first drive finished half way through season 3 and they started another drive but it didn't finish during the last episode of season 3.

Am I missing something?

I noticed that they didn't think too highly of bounty hunters.  I guess they wouldn't have liked the poncho-wearing stranger.


I also noticed the same thing about the drive ending.  The first time the drive ended, it was drawn out over several episodes, with some episodes being "between drives,"  as when Favor visited his daughters.   Maybe they thought that wasn't needed every time.  If I'm not mistaken, the next drive ended with even less bang.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on September 26, 2011, 05:32:07 PM
I just watched "Incident of the Comanchero" from season 5 and found it rather dull.  Favor was absent in this episode, although that didn't specifically lead to it's dullness, Rowdy was there, but it was very draggy.  The conversations between the guest stars seemed to go on forever, and it ended in a similar fashion as an earlier episode.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on September 27, 2011, 12:45:30 AM
Pete Nolan is BACK!!! Season 7. Incident of the Texas Fever. To celebrate his return they re-recorded the Rawhide song. :)

The only down side was that he found himself in a Hang'em High situation 10 minutes into the episode. :o

To find out what happened next.....you'll just have to watch the episode. ;)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on September 27, 2011, 02:04:08 AM
Pete Nolan is BACK!!! Season 7. Incident of the Texas Fever. To celebrate his return they re-recorded the Rawhide song. :)

The only down side was that he found himself in a Hang'em High situation 10 minutes into the episode. :o

To find out what happened next.....you'll just have to watch the episode. ;)

I will watch it very soon.  Just received an email from EzyDvd they have posted out Season 7 at last. Yeah!!!!!  Season 8 should not be far behind.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: jessie on October 02, 2011, 11:59:14 PM
Hi all ........newbie here..... I  was'nt sure where to post this.. and it's unfortunately  a bit late.

Sept 30  marked  the  anniversary  of the   shocking death of  Clint's friend and co star Eric Fleming from Rawhide.

Eric was,    as i'm sure you all know,   tragically  drowned at the  young age of 41 yrs old whilst filming the last scenes of a  movie  he  was  starring   in  that was being filmed in South America on the Heluargua  River.    He was to be married only 2 days later,   and  very   very sadly,    his fiancee was watching  from  the shore.


R.I.P   Eric.  

Memories are immortal.



Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: jessie on October 03, 2011, 02:07:18 AM
HI SC.... i just sent a reply,  but have feeling i didnt   actually  get it off ok !
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on October 03, 2011, 02:14:16 AM
HI SC.... i just sent a reply,  but have feeling i didnt   actually  get it off ok !

I got it Jessie. :)

 Welcome folks, to another Aussie or an Aussie pair. ;)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on October 13, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
Season 8 has new credits that Toons might like to see.

Steve Raines aka Jim Quince has moved up into the credits with Raymond St. Jacques as Simon Blake.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on October 14, 2011, 04:58:39 AM
Season 8 has new credits that Toons might like to see.

Steve Raines aka Jim Quince has moved up into the credits with Raymond St. Jacques as Simon Blake.

SC, I only have Season 1 & 2 so far. Are the credits animated in season 8?  ???
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on October 15, 2011, 02:00:59 PM
SC, I only have Season 1 & 2 so far. Are the credits animated in season 8?  ???

Yes, some very nice freehand drawings.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: TWOMULES on October 16, 2011, 10:01:52 AM
Yes, some very nice freehand drawings.

Thanks SC. :)  The UK are way behind you with the release of Rawhide on DVD, so it maybe 2014 before I see these :o  :(
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on October 18, 2011, 11:54:44 PM
Incident of the Six Weeks to Bent Fork (Season 8.) is a really good episode. L.Q. Jones is there with James Gregory as Lash Whitcomb. A simple plot that is well executed. It's a complete drive of cattle from point A to B.

The denouement of the episode is fantastic with Rowdy leading the way. O0

Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on December 08, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
Has anyone seen any good episodes lately?

I finished watching Season 8 a couple of months ago. The last episode was good but it could of been better. The episode I spoke of in the post above was better.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on December 08, 2011, 11:20:20 PM
Has anyone seen any good episodes lately?

I'm still on season 4. :-[
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 01, 2012, 07:31:38 PM
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3520/hohoho6sz.jpg)

Who's Santa?

There was a Rawhide episode called "Twenty Five Santa Clauses," but this doesn't seem to be from it. Perhaps it was a publicity photo.

I just watched that episode and that pic wasn't part of the show. Like KC said, must be a publicity shot.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on January 07, 2012, 08:16:43 PM
I just watched "Incident at Two Graves" from season 6, and I thought I was watching the western version of "Every Which Way But Loose."  In the beginning, everyone is gathered around in a circle betting on two guys bare knuckle fighting.  Of course, Rowdy has to get involved.  He takes his shirt off and jumps in.  It looks like a young Philo Bedo.  I think we could start a thread just on things in Rawhide that remind us of Clint's future movie career.  I know there is an episode called "Incident of the Pale Rider;" and there is an episode where Rowdy wore a bowlers hat and looked like Joe Kidd.  I also remember Rowdy sporting the trilogy beard at least once. 
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 08, 2012, 09:22:42 PM
In "The Woman Trap" you'll see a very familiar face in Marion Ross from "Happy Days". Gees that brought back some memories.

How young was she in that? Whoa.  ^-^

That episode also guest starred Alan Hale Jr as a Wagon Master.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 15, 2012, 05:04:26 PM
In the following episode "The Boss's Daughters", Gill's daughters have the responsibility of calling out a famous line from the series.

Great episode but no explanation of the non appearance of Rowdy in the whole show. Quince was called the ramrod in this episode. ???
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 18, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
So the non appearance of Rowdy in three straight episodes from season 4 was a little concerning but he returned in Grandma's Money where he was the whole show. He hooks up with a little old lady (No, not like that) who isn't what she appears to be.

Interesting bit of trivia: The story for this episode was written by Sonia Chernus who a couple of months later wrote the Mister Ed episode that Clint appeared in and of course in 1976 co-wrote the screenplay for The Outlaw Josey Wales.

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Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 19, 2012, 04:10:10 PM
Another couple of great episodes from season 4. The Pitchwagon guest starring Buddy Ebsen and Jack Elam. The girls will love seeing Rowdy up on stage singing. The screaming girls in the audience was more like the 1960's not the 1880's though. :D

In the following episode Hostage Child, James Coburn and Debra Paget guest star and doesn't Coburn play a nasty character in this. An Indian hating Colonel who's in for the shock of his life regarding his wife.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 19, 2012, 07:59:29 PM
I'm about half way through season 4 and there have been 3 or 4 episodes where Rowdy doesn't appear at all.  His whereabouts aren't mentioned in the episodes either.  I don't think he's ever missing in back to back episodes, but I suppose they weren't necessarily aired in the order they were filmed.  I wonder if he was doing another project that took him away for a few episodes?

As I continue to watch season 4, Clint is absent in about every other episode.  What was going on?

As I continue season 4, Gil Favor is spread a little thin in several episodes too; he is totally absent in a few.  Pete left the drive too and was replaced by another guy.  Perhaps all this is why the ratings started dropping in this season. 

There was definitely something strange going on through season 4. Around the time Sheb Wooley left there were episodes with either Clint or Eric Fleming missing completely. They seemed to alternate. The first episode that Charles Gray replaced Sheb, he was the whole show and he seemed to have a lot more screen time than Sheb ever had in the next few episodes as well.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 20, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
Missing episode?

According to IMDB these are the last two season 4 episodes of the series:

Season 4, Episode 29: The Devil and the Deep Blue
Original Air Date—11 May 1962
 
Season 4, Episode 30: Abilene
Original Air Date—18 May 1962

The last one is not included.
Hoped to find it at the season 5 package, but it wasn't there either.

Anybody?
 

Found it!!!

It's the last episode in Season 5 on the DVD. Haven't watched it yet, just starting to watch the last disc.

I'm totally confused here and you know it doesn't take much to confuse me, but why is the last episode of season 4 at the end of season 5 on the DVD's. Doesn't that throw out the whole sequence of events?

Also on the Rawhide Years link on this site where the episodes are listed, the Abilene episode is replaced with Incident of El Toro which according to epguides.com is from season 6!!

What the heck? ???

So should I watch the Abilene episode straight after watching the Devil and the deep blue sea episode?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on January 20, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
 I think script wise, there has only been a few episodes where events from a previous episode have been mentioned by the characters in the next episode. Gil Favor seeing his daughters in one episode comes to mind. I think Wishbone says something about that in the next episode or the one after.

I kinda got use to the fact that things change with not much explanation from time to time.

For example in M*A*S*H, Harry Morgan played a loopy General in The General Flipped at Dawn in Season 3 as General Steele then later he is Colonel Potter. ???
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 20, 2012, 11:10:00 PM
But do you think it was a production error with the DVD's? Because in the episode The Devil and the deep blue they are about to arrive in Abilene so the next episode is when they do, I assume?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on January 20, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
Who knows?  :-\ Do we trust IMBd?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 20, 2012, 11:25:55 PM
Who knows?  :-\ Do we trust IMBd?

Well epguides.com has the Abilene episode as the final ep for season 4 too.

Maybe antonis can check that book of his?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: antonis on January 21, 2012, 10:56:46 AM
Abilene is the last episode of season 4.
I suppose they misplaced it at the season 5 DVDs.
According to the book (and IMDB I suppose) it originally aired on May 18, 1962.
Season 5 ends with Incident at Alkali Sink ( May 24,1963).


 
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 21, 2012, 12:37:26 PM
It's official then. Abilene is the final ep of season 4.

Thanks antonis. O0
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 21, 2012, 05:44:54 PM
OK, I've watched Abeline, now the first four episodes of Season 5 should be:

Incident of the Hunter
Incident of the Portrait
Incident at Cactus Wells
Incident of the Prodigal Son


But again the region 4 DVD's have been screwed up and we have:

Incident of the Portrait
Incident of El Toro
Incident of the Hunter
Incident at Cactus Wells

Incident of El Toro is the episode I spoke of yesterday that is from Season 6. I'm starting to wonder if the people putting together the episodes took the list from this site?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: antonis on January 22, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: Lin. on May 06, 2011, 02:35:28 AM
A new month and a new book budget. 

I ordered the Rawhide book by David R Greenland, today.   


Received it yesterday and already read it.
It also explains why the "INCIDENT OF EL TORO" which originally aired during the 6th season is included at season 5 DVD package

According to the book Incident of El Toro is a leftover episode from either season 4 or 5 ,copyright 1962, with old opening  and Charles Gray as Clay Forrester in the cast.
I suppose the episodes are put together by some kind of chronological order and not by the dates they originally aired.
Apart from that you won't find a similar problem at your region 4 DVDs during season 6 at least ( I own the rest of the series but haven't seen them yet).
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 22, 2012, 12:51:26 AM
Thanks antonis. O0
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on January 28, 2012, 12:16:16 PM
I saw Barbara Eden and Dick York in a 6th season episode called "Incident at Confidence Creek."  I guess it was a "I Dream of Jeannie" and "Bewitched" team-up.  Barbara even did a harum type dance and wore a costume that resembled her Jeannie outfit.  Rowdy was a little more hard-nosed in this episode.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on February 04, 2012, 02:28:25 PM
I watched Incident at the smokehouse om TCM today. Pretty good.
Harry Dean Stanton in. Small role. Wot season was this..?

I'm slightly guessing on the title..
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on February 04, 2012, 02:41:29 PM
Incident at the Buffalo Smokehouse, Season 2 Episode 7. It's good when you recognise a lot of the actors in the series.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on February 04, 2012, 02:48:03 PM
Quite an early one then. Very little Eastwood but enjoyable all the same.
Considering how long Eastwood and Fleming worked together we hear very little of their relationship.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on February 04, 2012, 02:52:50 PM
Considering how long Eastwood and Fleming worked together we hear very little of their relationship.

Yeah, maybe KC can shed some light on that point.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on February 04, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
Schickel doesn't say much about the relationship between Clint and Fleming, but he does spend a couple of pages (p. 113-115) talking about how difficult Fleming was to get along with in general, calling him "an altogether prickly character," "cranky [and] self-destructive," bringing to the series "the bitterness accumulated over many frustrating years in the business."

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He was, to be sure, handicapped by the aftereffects of an accident. Working in a foundry during his Seabees days, he had attempted to lift a two-hundred-pound steel counterweight and had dropped it on his face. This led to plastic surgery and doubtless contributed to his perpetually frozen expression. This he tried to distract from by overacting vocally. He was "a hamola" in Ted Post's characterization, someone "you had to cork a lot."

So this isolated man, alternately withdrawn and blustery, never established himself ... as a source of warmth and strength with viewers. On-screen he seemed, somehow, to be pasted into this landscape instead of being an organic part of it. Off-screen he became, in effect, the black hole at the center of this little universe, something everyone—especially the writers—had to navigate around.

Fleming did have his strengths: an air of command (mostly a function of his booming baritone) and—a gift Clint envied—his ability to memorize a page of dialogue at a glance and rattle it off without hesitation.

Clint Eastwood, p. 114
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Southern cat on February 04, 2012, 07:31:08 PM
Thanks for that KC. He certainly got more "cranky" as the Rawhide series went on.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on February 05, 2012, 12:52:41 AM
I wonder what he woulda make of Eastwoods later success. I find him quite watchable in Rawhide.
I was just curious, considering how many years they worked together how well they got on..
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on February 05, 2012, 01:25:12 AM
I wonder if Clint would've have used him in his films like Paul Brinegar popping up in High Plains Drifter and Sheb Wooley in Josey Wales?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on February 05, 2012, 02:58:40 AM
I've been trying to do a bit of research on Mr Fleming but without much success... he seems to be
A bit of a man of mystery. An unhappy childhood, drifter, nasty accident to his face that required plastic surgery.Not married, no kids. There's some question as to why he left Rawhide so abruptly.
The circumstances surrounding his death are fairly well documented but what happened to his remains is a little murky.
He was apparently due to be married upon his return from filming in Peru which makes his passing that much sadder.
Seven years is a long time to work closely with someone.. But I guess if he and Eastwood had been at all close we'd have
Heard about it.

Rawhide runs every day here and I'm gonna make an effort to watch more of them. Some quite unexpectedly quirky little
Stories make it interesting along with some pretty cool co stars.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: KC on February 05, 2012, 10:15:47 AM
I wonder what he woulda make of Eastwoods later success. I find him quite watchable in Rawhide.
I was just curious, considering how many years they worked together how well they got on..

I get the feeling, from other sources as well, that they weren't especially close, though Clint certainly got a shock when he heard about Fleming's accidental death on a film shoot in Peru, in 1966.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on February 09, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
Today's episode. Incident of the Druid Curse.

Bit of a strange one.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on February 10, 2012, 08:19:32 AM
Some of them seem to have an almost Twighlight Zone feel to them.

Bit sad to find out that Clint is possibly the only surviving cast member (if the actor who played Hey Soos is no longer
With us  :(
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: antonis on February 12, 2012, 11:30:52 AM
Just saw season 7 episode called "Canliss" directed by Jack Arnold and starring Dean Martin (as a famous gunfighter trying to retire after one last mission) & Ramon Novarro.One of the best in the series.Could easily stand as a B movie.Unfortunately no Clint.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on March 03, 2012, 08:17:01 AM
I've been watching quite a few episodes recently and finding them strangely quite addictive.
This week we've had murder steers and music boxes...  :)
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Gant on March 08, 2012, 10:04:37 AM
Another weird one today. "Incident of the Garden of Eden" featuring lots of London folk (some abysmal accents)
Gregory Wallcott and Clint having fun dressing for dinner...  ;D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on April 22, 2012, 11:56:15 PM
Just watched the season 5 episode Incident Of The Married Widow.

Clint gets to tickle the ivories and sing!!!!
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on May 31, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
Anyone know why Charles Gray left the series? He replaced Sheb Wooley and in the first few episodes he was quite prominent in the storyline and then started disappearing completely from some episodes. Towards the end of season 5 he wasn't in any episodes at all and watching the first few episodes of season 6, he is no longer in the cast.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on June 01, 2012, 12:05:38 AM
Season Six episode, Incident at Paradise has a young Beau Bridges in the guest cast. I thought it was Jeff Bridges when he first came on screen but when I saw him without his cowboy hat on you could tell it was Beau.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on July 13, 2012, 12:33:13 AM
A couple of good Season 6 episodes:

Incident at Confidence Creek guest stars Dick York and Barbara Eden as a couple of confidence tricksters who steal the ownership papers of the herd.

Incident Of The Death Dancer guest stars Forrest Tucker who is hunting an African Lion in the American west!!
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Whistledixie on July 13, 2012, 09:52:57 AM
Never actually saw an episode of Rawhide until this week when the first season showed up at the library, and only knew the song from the Blues Brothers...but sure up to speed now. It's really remarkable to watch Clint evolve over the course of 21 episodes, from a fairly standard 50's-style-acting portrayal of a wide-eyed kid to a squinting, less is more onscreen presence delivering glib lines, and settling into his skin to draw out the traits that were his hallmark. It was cool to see elements as early as the second episode of him wanting to settle things with a gun (although Gil does most of the showdown justice) and that in one of the final episodes he uses the "fanning" style of shot to gun someone down, slapping the hammer with his hand ala the man with no name...

A scene where I thought he'd transitioned from what he was to what he'd become was in Incident of a Burst of Evil after he returns from bringing food to the women at the commanchero camp, where he's riding along with a steely yet casual look, and Gil rides up and says "I didn't know you were back," to which Rowdy replies "I wasn't doin' no hollerin' about it..."

A flash of things to come...
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on November 27, 2012, 06:07:09 PM
The start of Season 7 has new opening credits with metal sculptured heads of Gil, Rowdy and Wishbone and more... :-X

I wonder if they still exist? Of the three though, Paul Brinegar is the only good likeness.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on November 27, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
In The Enormous Fist(Season 7 Episode 2), Lee Van Cleef didn't even last 5 mins into the episode before he gets killed. :o

He turns up in the very next episode though and lasts a little longer. He is playing a different character of course from the previous episode. :D
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on November 28, 2012, 05:57:38 PM
Just watched Incident of the Backshooter(Season 7, Episode 5). Clint episode from go to woe. It's a must see. Good plot, great acting and a few funny moments, including a sign on a side of a building that said UNDERTAKER in large letters and AND DENTIST underneath in smaller letters. ;D

Can someone confirm that a car passes along the bottom of the screen at about 5min 10sec into this episode? It's just a sunrise scene over what looks like Monument Valley, at the bottom of the screen, a trail of dust can be seen moving along at great speed.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on November 29, 2012, 05:23:44 AM
Can someone confirm that a car passes along the bottom of the screen at about 5min 10sec into this episode? It's just a sunrise scene over what looks like Monument Valley, at the bottom of the screen, a trail of dust can be seen moving along at great speed.

Yup there is certainly something going hell for leather along the bottom of the screen. Road Runner perhaps?  ;D   It seems too fast for a car but you never know. I suppose that is dust flying up behind it.

BTW if anyone else wants to look at it you'll find the episode on disc 2 season 7.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on December 09, 2012, 10:27:39 PM
Just watched the season 7 episode, Canliss. This guest starred Dean Martin. I read somewhere months ago that he was in an episode and had been looking forward to seeing it but it was a major disappointment. It's the Dino show. No Clint and only a couple of scenes with Gil and Wishbone. Dean Martin fans might enjoy it but I was hoping for a few scenes of him and Clint together. :(
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on March 06, 2013, 05:55:13 AM
Some of them seem to have an almost Twighlight Zone feel to them.

Bit sad to find out that Clint is possibly the only surviving cast member (if the actor who played Hey Soos is no longer
With us  :(

Yes, I have often said the same thing.  Rawhide was like a cross between Twilight Zone and Star Trek.  Every week, they are in a new place that offers up it's own mystery and challenges, and those challenges often have a Twilight Zone feel, especially in the earlier seasons.  I'm currently on season 6 and not watching as regularly.  For me, the plots just don't keep me glued to the screen as much as the earlier seasons, but that may change again.  I've read that the quality of later seasons varied.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on July 21, 2014, 02:46:04 AM
I'm finally onto the final season of Rawhide and I can see why the show got axed mid way through this year. The last couple of seasons haven't had me interested. Unfortunately the series has become stale. In fact, the last few episodes, the only thing I've been looking for are the costars.   :(
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Lin Sunderland on July 21, 2014, 08:08:15 AM
I'm finally onto the final season of Rawhide and I can see why the show got axed mid way through this year. The last couple of seasons haven't had me interested. Unfortunately the series has become stale. In fact, the last few episodes, the only thing I've been looking for are the costars.   :(

I do agree with you SK. Rawhide went on 2 seasons too long.  They ran out of stories and the actors all seemed to be bored with the whole thing. I watched a couple of the episodes using the fast forward button.  Having said that I did enjoy the first 6 seasons.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Rawhide7 on July 21, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
Every Saturday afternoon they show an episode of Rawhide on METV (Memorable entertaintment television) and I look forward to watching it once a week every Saturday.  This past Saturday's episode was about the gypsies.  Thought it was kind of weird.  But all and all I've been enjoying watching it every sat afternoon on tv.  I would eventually like to purchase the entire series set but at about $400 bucks that's just too much money for me right now.  But other than missing a couple of episodes I am getting to see alot of them without spending any money which is great!
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: The Schofield Kid on September 04, 2014, 10:34:49 PM
I have finally completed viewing all 8 seasons of Rawhide.

As I posted in July, the series did become a little stale in the last couple of seasons with only the costars popping up that was holding my interest.

The very last episode has Clint in a barroom brawl with an actor who is the spitting image of Hugh Hefner. Not sure of the actors name though.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on November 21, 2014, 07:10:21 PM
The more I watch Rawhide, the more I notice how Gil Favor uses a whiny voice a lot.  Sure, on one hand, he's a he-man who seems to be the voice of reason at times, but he also uses a whiny voice a lot, and acts silly quite a bit.  I watched a season 7 episode last night called "Damon's Road."  At the end, Gil is in jail, and he is is whining and acting like a two-year old.  It just struck me different from other main characters in Westerns of the time, like Matt Dillon.

I know people are different, but maybe I notice it more because there are times when he is played as a calm, straight, voice-of reason guy, and other times he's acting like he's two.  Maybe it got worse as the series went on.  Did anyone else notice, or is it just me?
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Whistledixie on November 21, 2014, 08:59:43 PM
The more I watch Rawhide, the more I notice how Gil Favor uses a whiny voice a lot.  Sure, on one hand, he's a he-man who seems to be the voice of reason at times, but he also uses a whiny voice a lot, and acts silly quite a bit.  I watched a season 7 episode last night called "Damon's Road."  At the end, Gil is in jail, and he is is whining and acting like a two-year old.  It just struck me different from other main characters in Westerns of the time, like Matt Dillon.

I know people are different, but maybe I notice it more because there are times when he is played as a calm, straight, voice-of reason guy, and other times he's acting like he's two.  Maybe it got worse as the series went on.  Did anyone else notice, or is it just me?

I know what you mean. They say the actor Eric Fleming had his face smashed while in the Navy, I believe, by a iron girder or something that broke free and crushed half his face...which left it partially paralyzed and unable to emote a lot. So he had a certain woodeness to his performance, which I think he compensated for with his voice and whatnot. Apparently it hurt his career, and sadly he eventually drown in a river while filming a movie. Once you look for it you can definitely see it. Sad thing...

Incidentally, if you watch the first Columbo movie from around '68 (picked up as a series a couple years) you can really see the scar around Peter Falk's right eye from the accident and/or surgery that took his eye. Also see it in later ones once I knew to look. Likewise Van Johnson. Huge car accident scar across his forehead. And just saw a latter-day Montgomery Clift film a couple months ago, after his car accident. Like an entirely different man. Hard to pull off Montgomery Clift when you're not seamless...

Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on November 22, 2014, 05:40:40 AM
I know what you mean. They say the actor Eric Fleming had his face smashed while in the Navy, I believe, by a iron girder or something that broke free and crushed half his face...which left it partially paralyzed and unable to emote a lot. So he had a certain woodeness to his performance, which I think he compensated for with his voice and whatnot. Apparently it hurt his career, and sadly he eventually drown in a river while filming a movie. Once you look for it you can definitely see it. Sad thing...

Incidentally, if you watch the first Columbo movie from around '68 (picked up as a series a couple years) you can really see the scar around Peter Falk's right eye from the accident and/or surgery that took his eye. Also see it in later ones once I knew to look. Likewise Van Johnson. Huge car accident scar across his forehead. And just saw a latter-day Montgomery Clift film a couple months ago, after his car accident. Like an entirely different man. Hard to pull off Montgomery Clift when you're not seamless...


I didn't know that about Flemming's face.  I'll try to notice next time.

I'll have to say, I think the first few season's of Rawhide couldn't be better.  On the other hand, the last few season's were a little weird for me.  I feel like they messed with the relationships at times.  In one episode, Rowdy is fed up with Mr. Favor and being trail boss to his own herd, and in other episodes, he's explaining how loyal he is to favor.  There was an episode where Favor lost a herd.  It didn't show it, but just started the episode knowing it had happened.  I thought that was stretching it.  I watched the second half of Damon's Road last night, and it was a little weird for me.  The weirdness I mention may not be easy to explain, but as I said, it just seems like they messed with their personalities and relationships at times.

I also notice in season 7 how they are getting away from the cattle drive and action on the trail..  It seems like there is always some adventure going on in a town somewhere.  Sometimes it is made known that they have a herd, but it's not the focus. 
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Whistledixie on November 22, 2014, 06:55:54 AM
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Know what you mean on that one, too. Maybe they had a jumble of directors and writers or something and no one watching consistency. Probably a major dose of Jumping the Shark going on also, like any series playing itself out, having worked through every plausible scenario that can be done with a cattle drive and the people who run it. Especially in that era of television, when what would become the hackneyed formulas of situational television were first being employed and could probably go off the deep end. 

I also think Rawhide suffered from being a 1 hour show. In the beginning that was probably great, the story could be broad and expansive like the land they traversed. But later on I think it became like a big house they had to maintain. Gunsmoke was a half-hour its first few years, in the same era and genre, but never suffered from that particular malady. And they had some fairly involved stories at times, just rising and falling on a different arc.

Route 66 was an hour show of that era, also, and lordy could that one ramble off into left field at times…
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: herofan on November 22, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
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Know what you mean on that one, too. Maybe they had a jumble of directors and writers or something and no one watching consistency. Probably a major dose of Jumping the Shark going on also, like any series playing itself out, having worked through every plausible scenario that can be done with a cattle drive and the people who run it. Especially in that era of television, when what would become the hackneyed formulas of situational television were first being employed and could probably go off the deep end. 

I also think Rawhide suffered from being a 1 hour show. In the beginning that was probably great, the story could be broad and expansive like the land they traversed. But later on I think it became like a big house they had to maintain. Gunsmoke was a half-hour its first few years, in the same era and genre, but never suffered from that particular malady. And they had some fairly involved stories at times, just rising and falling on a different arc.

Route 66 was an hour show of that era, also, and lordy could that one ramble off into left field at times…



I know what you mean.  Speaking of one hour, "Damon's Road" was a two-hour episode; I couldn't figure out what was so fascinating or life changing that it had to be a two-parter. ??? 

I think it did play itself out.  The last season or so started to have a feel that reunion shows often have; there really isn't anything interesting going on, but the characters are just going through the motions hoping viewers will remain interested based on the greatness of the past.

You probably hit on something with the writers being different and going off the deep end.  This may sound silly, but I've sometimes wondered something like this:  The medical show ER, for example, was a huge hit.  It slipped, and then we have Grey's Anatomy as a hit.  I'm wondering, if there was still an audience for a medical show, why couldn't ER just have stayed interesting being that another medical show came along and got big ratings?  However, I suppose writers change and lose the feel of the original and start writing poor scripts.  I suppose that is what happened with Rawhide.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: Whistledixie on November 23, 2014, 06:39:08 AM
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Clint became a bigger star with the Leone films during that time period, too, which maybe changed up the dynamic some and the sense of where the show was going.

That’s an interesting issue you raise. I guess ultimately none of it’s new. You can go back to earliest television, or by the 60’s, and see the same formats that would be repeated until today. Doctor shows, lawyer shows, cop shows. Especially counting all the ones that have come and gone and been forgotten along the way, along with the better known. The totality of Jack Webb’s work alone as far as cop and related shows is probably close to that of Dick Wolf, adjusted for relative airtime and reach in their eras...a testament to the desire for product in those genres and their longevity, as well as why they create more to fill the demand. 

I guess entropy plays a role in everything, too. It’s all passing moments of chemistry and interaction bound to end somehow, but like everyone else, trying to keep it sparking as best they can while still in the game. Unless it dies before the series actually ends and people stop caring, but it just keeps going on inertia. Which is maybe most cases…although by the 80’s or 90’s they got better at ending gracefully. 

The genres continue, though. It’s like with clothing/fashion. I’m always amazed that there can forever be “new” fashions. That at some point they don’t just say “Alright, it’s all been done. Would you like to see some of the old stuff again?” I guess it’s always a mixture of old and new, with each new series (TV, fashion line, etc.) folding in some timely aspect that the old one didn’t have, or have in that combination. “Every generation throws a hero up the pop charts,” as Paul Simon says. I guess we all like our own version of things, not what’s been done before. Even if it has been done before.
Title: Re: "Rawhide" episode discussion
Post by: icnmedia on February 28, 2015, 02:19:04 PM
Every single time I turn on Rawhide, clint is either NOT on that episode or only has 1 or 2 lines! Errrrrrrrr! When I was a little tyke in the 70's I'd wait after school to plop down in front of the tube and watch Rawhide, but I dont remember clint not being in it! (AW, bruce dern it!!!!)

and guess what? After rawhide is Wanted: Dead or alive with steve mcqueen...who has a starring guest role??? None other than Lee Van Cleef!! (:) (It just made me smile)