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Title: wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: misty71 on May 12, 2003, 05:29:22 PM
I was thinking about the fact that clint was considering "hanging it up as an actor" :'(. Don't you guys think it would be nice if he just acted one more time... I mean, if his last piece of acting is bloodwork...I don't know but I'd like to see him go off with a big sucess like unforgiven.
 I'd like to remember him as the man with no name or something like that, instead of the man who got a transplanted heart. ;D
 No but seriously, I liked bloodwork, but it's far from beeing top-range eastwood
 Anyone agrees? toughts comments? ???
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: eustressor on May 12, 2003, 08:18:25 PM
Absolutely.  :) I think something where his character has to face his own mortality, as a senior citizen, head-on, could be an amazing thing to see.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: AKA23 on May 13, 2003, 03:28:39 PM
I definitely would like to see Clint onscreen again, and hopefully, I think we will. He's said in recent years that the day when he looks up on the screen and says I don't want to see that guy anymore is getting closer, but he's never said that it's here, and that he no longer plans to act. I don't know why a lot of people keep assuming that he can no longer be viable as an actor, and that it would be great to see him on the screen one last time. If that's all he plans to do, then yes, I agree, I'd definitely want to see him onscreen again for one last time if that's his decision, but I think there isn't any reason why he needs to hang it up as an actor. I think he can still find lots of roles for him to play, and I think he should. He certainly cannot go out on Blood Work . That cannot be his very last performance, at least I hope not. That would be a disaster.

Clint is going to do whatever he wants to do, and I don't think at this point that he particularly cares what any of his fans want or think. He's doing this all for himself and because HE wants to do it. I see no reason for Clint to give up acting entirely, and I've been increasingly anxious that that might end up actually happening. He isn't in Mystic River , he isn't going to be in this biopic that he's planning on Niel Armstrong, and we've heard of no project where he's considering starring in addition to producing and directing. I don't know what Clint is doing anymore. I used to think he would do another western, but I don't think he cares about doing another western anymore, at least not one where he would be the star. Maybe he's beyond caring if his fans want to see him on the screen again. Maybe he doesn't care that Blood Work was terrible. I'm really hoping Clint is going to get back in the game sometime soon with an acting role, but maybe not. Maybe he doesn't even think about what we want anymore :(
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Christopher on May 13, 2003, 04:25:45 PM
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Maybe he's beyond caring if his fans want to see him on the screen again...Maybe he doesn't even think about what we want anymore

I believe and hope that Clint will do whatever he wants to do. But I really don't think he doesn't care about his fans.
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Post by: Wendy on May 13, 2003, 04:27:29 PM
I think Clint is like Woody Allen in the respect that he acts in his films in order to get them made.  I think directing means much much more to him than acting.  He wanted the director honor at the Oscars a lot, and I don't know how much he really cared about winning prizes for acting.  Actually, I wish he wasn't so interested in being honored all the time.  It's kind of lame.
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Post by: Christopher on May 13, 2003, 04:30:46 PM
Actually, I wish he wasn't so interested in being honored all the time.  It's kind of lame.
:o Whoa, there! Where has he ever expressed interest in being "honored"?
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Post by: Wendy on May 13, 2003, 04:33:09 PM
He was very very concerned about winning the Academy Award, and he really really wanted to win Cannes. And he has had Warner Bros. politicize on his behalf to get retrospectives and festivals.  It's not a bad thing.  Most people are like this.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Matt on May 13, 2003, 04:35:29 PM
Someone's been reading the McGilligan book.  That's one of Pat's little annoyances that he gloats about all through the book.... Clint wanting the awards.  It's such a lame book.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Christopher on May 13, 2003, 04:43:31 PM
If I was up for a Best Director Oscar, I'd want to win it too. ;)

And somehow, I doubt it's because of Warner Bros. that have gotten him the retrospectives and festivals. It would never have anything to do with him being a HUGE FILM ICON.

Excuse the sarcasm, please. I know it's a part of the entertainment industry to campaign for awards, but there's all sorts of reasons that are behind the campaigning, but whether Eastwood has done any of that or not, I don't honestly know.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Matt on May 13, 2003, 04:50:39 PM
McGilligan wanted to make Clint look like a monster, and did everything he could to prove it in his book.  I read it with a BIG grain of salt.  In the end, instead of getting the image of Clint being a selfish and angry man who would trample everyone in his wake to get what he wanted... I thought  it reflected VERY badly on McGilligan... he was out to try to ruin the reputation of one of America's favorite actors, one who is loved by nearly everyone he's worked with.  And since McG went to such extraordinary measures to prove his point, he's the one who comes out looking like the jerk.
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Post by: Wendy on May 13, 2003, 05:07:44 PM
Matt, it's from the Richard Schickel book.  And just to verify, nobody, especially not I, said Eastwood was an icon because of awards.  Schickel wrote that Warners obviously help Eastwood get these honors and showcases because he brought films in under budget and made poor sequels to help the studio.  
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Matt on May 13, 2003, 05:10:16 PM
I read Schickel's book too, and I don't recall reading anything about how he had an interest in being honored all the time.  That's straight out of McGilligan.  Are you sure you didn't read that one?  That particular negative slant is only one part of the ugliness of that book.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: misty71 on May 13, 2003, 05:16:20 PM
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Actually,I wish he wasn't so interested in being honored all the time.It's kind of lame

 >:( >:( >:(
I'm not even gonna say anything
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Wendy on May 13, 2003, 05:16:36 PM
Yes, I never read McG book.  I looked at it once and thought it only analyzed films based upon critical response from newspaper critics (who cares what newsies think?) and boxoffice reports.  Schickel didn't make it seem spurious that Clint wanted honors, but rather natural for a Hollywood veteran to want accolades, which it is.  I don't think this it is terrible that Clint plays the studio system, and vice versa; I just wished he himself wasn't so interested in these things.  Hey, Hemingway accepted awards.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Wendy on May 13, 2003, 05:17:50 PM
Misty71, you quoted me wrong.   :)
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: misty71 on May 13, 2003, 05:20:29 PM
Yeah i know, I modified it
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Post by: Matt on May 13, 2003, 05:26:23 PM
Okay ... Wendy,

If you didn't get it from McGilligan's book, then where ARE you getting it from?  What makes you state, as a fact, that he's so interested in being honored?  
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: AKA23 on May 13, 2003, 05:36:51 PM
I'm sure Clint wanted the awards that he's gotten, and I'm sure that he's honored by having received them, but I don't think he goes out compulsively campaigning for awards and trying to get honored. I'm not even sure that he's all that concerned with getting honored. I'm not attacking Wendy or her viewpoint, and she could be correct, but I don't see it. If he was so concerned with being honored, I think he would have made very different films. The films that he has made over the years are mostly completely shunned by the Academy. He isn't interested in making the kinds of films that would get him awards. If he wanted a Best Actor oscar, I think he'd be taking different roles. The fact that he doesn't, and the fact that he does what he wants to do and makes the films that he wants to make regardless of how they are received is a great argument for him not being overly consumed with winning awards and garnering accolades.

On a different note, I do think that Clint cares to some degree what his fans think, and I'm sure that he prefers that his fans stick with him and support the things that he is doing, but I don't think that he'd change what he wanted to do for us. Even if all his fans want to see him continue acting, I don't think that's going to motivate him to act if he doesn't want to. Clint beats to the tune of his own drum. In some ways, that's a very good thing, but that also means that he isn't going to be influenced by his fans to any large degree. He'll continue to do exactly whatever it is that HE wants to do. He isn't going to act just because all his fans tell him that's what he should do. That was my point.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: KC on May 13, 2003, 06:46:46 PM
Schickel (p. 466) on Eastwood and how he reacted to the announcement of the Oscar nominations for Unforgiven:

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Just as [Eastwood] had refused all along to admit how much this film [ Unforgiven ] meant to him, he now refused to admit how much he wanted this recognition for it. He would just quietly do everything possible to assure the right outcome. The strategy was to remain tastefully present in the minds of Osdcar voters, without looking as if he was desperate for their favor.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Matt on May 13, 2003, 07:05:38 PM
That's hardly:

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... so interested in being honored all the time.

And it's not lame.

For what other films has he heavily campaigned for an Oscar?  

It's just the same mindset that McGilligan had... as if he was obsessed with winning awards.  For a man to campaign in a dignified manner for an Oscar for one film out of over 40 he's done... it's not the same thing.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Doug on May 13, 2003, 09:09:26 PM
Yes, I never read McG book.  I looked at it once and thought it only analyzed films based upon critical response from newspaper critics (who cares what newsies think?) and boxoffice reports.  

That definitely doesn't describe the content of McGilliagan's book; very little of the book is concerned in "analyzing" any of Clint's films, unless you count an example like"Unforgiven is overpraised" as analysis.


 
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I just wished he himself wasn't so interested in these things.  

I personally just don't see the evidence that he is so interested in those things.  I mean should he have refused the awards for Unforgiven, a la Jean-Paul Sartre?
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: AKA23 on May 13, 2003, 11:19:59 PM
Wendy just made a bit of a careless comment, and even though most of us might not agree with her, there's no reason to keep knocking her viewpoint. She says she never read the McGilligan book, and I believe her. I thin she might have just misinterpreted Schickel's intentions. I don't think he was suggesting, at least not from the passage that KC posted, and I've read the book too but it's been awhile, that Clint was really actively soliciting awards. The reason I don't believe that as I've stated above is that he doesn't act like it when he's choosing his roles or deciding what films to do. Unforgiven and its critical and commercial success really caught him off guard. He didn't go into it thinking he'd make a killing or be getting loads of recognition. I think he was probably shocked at its reception. The facts just don't support this claim. I can name LOADS of Academy favorites that in my view really do solicit awards and know when they're choosing a film that it might get some academy consideration, but Clint certainly isn't one of them. He got honored once, and the films that he does are usually distinctly not what the Academy is looking for. That's why he doesn't win awards, but he doesn't seem to care. I'd love to see Clint win Best Actor, but I think there's close to zero chance of that ever happening, and I don't think Clint really cares all that much. Wendy's comments were more towards the filmmaking end, but again, I don't think that the films that he's directed reflect any search for awards. I think if he WAS looking for awards, he'd be making the uplifting, heartwarming, or deeply tragic films that people like Steven Spielberg make all the time. That's how to win the award. Clint makes very different films.
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Wendy on May 14, 2003, 09:38:12 AM
I was not attacking Eastwood.  I was just annoyed when I read that he kept a bowtie that an extra on the Bird set made him to wear to the Oscars, and that he kept it as a goodluck charm, and then wore it to the Oscars for Unforgiven.  This means he has awards on the brain.  I don't mean to step on his toes, but I wish he were more like the Hollywood bad guys.  That's all I said in a small off-hand comment.  
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Post by: Daisy Abigael on May 14, 2003, 10:10:20 AM
I was not attacking Eastwood.  I was just annoyed when I read that he kept a bowtie that an extra on the Bird set made him to wear to the Oscars, and that he kept it as a goodluck charm, and then wore it to the Oscars for Unforgiven.  This means he has awards on the brain.  I don't mean to step on his toes, but I wish he were more like the Hollywood bad guys.  That's all I said in a small off-hand comment.  

Sounds like an attack to me, Wenders!

Why on Earth should that annoy you?  Clint has taken decades of bashing from the critical establishment - so now he's begining to get the respect he always deserved.

He has a right to enjoy it!
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Wendy on May 14, 2003, 10:33:22 AM
Why Wenders?  Did Wenders say something bad about Clint?  Perhaps in regards to the jazz thing?  I never heard about that.

If that sounds like an attack to you, then I suggest you take some anti-sensitivity meds.  ;)

My personal preferece that Clint be a little anti-establishment is not really that unique or interesting.  It's a pretty common yearning for a fan to have.  

Everybody dance now!
Wendy
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Daisy Abigael on May 14, 2003, 10:35:04 AM
 ::)

Dais-ee
Title: Re:wouldnt it be nice to see him on screen at least one more time?
Post by: Christopher on May 14, 2003, 01:07:48 PM
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Wendy: I was just annoyed when I read that he kept a bowtie that an extra on the Bird set made him to wear to the Oscars, and that he kept it as a goodluck charm, and then wore it to the Oscars for Unforgiven.  This means he has awards on the brain.  I don't mean to step on his toes, but I wish he were more like the Hollywood bad guys.
Wow, that is annoying. ::)

How on Earth is that something to be annoyed at? Bird was the type of movie that wins awards (just so there's no misunderstanding, Eastwood has been a huge jazz fan for much of his life, so this movie wasn't made because "he has award on the brain").

I'm with Daisy on this, Eastwood took such a bashing for so long, why not enjoy it when people start to recognize him for what he's contributed to film, which is quite a lot. Because of the type of films he makes, that doesn't qualify him to critical acclaim. Eastwood has been "anti-establishment" for a long time now, but guess who else has been: George Lucas, Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, just to name three. I don't know about you, but Scorsese looked a little disappointed when he didn't win that Oscar for Gangs of New York. Apparently, he has awards on his brain. ;)

So, do you see where we're coming from, Wendy (if that's really your name ;))?
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Post by: Matt on May 14, 2003, 03:23:44 PM
I was not attacking Eastwood.  I was just annoyed when I read that he kept a bowtie that an extra on the Bird set made him to wear to the Oscars, and that he kept it as a goodluck charm, and then wore it to the Oscars for Unforgiven.  This means he has awards on the brain

Ummm.... sounds more to me like loyalty to a friend, not forgetting something nice done for him and honoring the friend by wearing it even though it was years later when the occasion came up.

But if you want to put that ridiculous slant on it... go ahead.  Maybe I was wrong... maybe you didn't read the McGilligan book, you wrote it?
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Post by: Conan on May 16, 2003, 10:49:10 AM
  To answer the original question:  As long as he doesn't do a "retired, aging detective/journalist/astronaut/bounty hunter/etc comes out of retirement for one last assignment" role, I would love to see him do anything.  Especially a western, I haven't seen a REAL western since "Unforgiven".
  I have a good luck dress shirt that I've worn for dates before.  Its a pretty common thing Wendy.  I don't think it means he has awards on the brain, its just a goodluck bowtie...
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Post by: Brendan on May 16, 2003, 12:12:17 PM
 I have a good luck dress shirt that I've worn for dates before.  Its a pretty common thing Wendy.  I don't think it means he has awards on the brain, its just a goodluck bowtie...

Looks like Conan has a certain something on his mind when he goes on those dates with that shirt.  :P
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Post by: Conan on May 16, 2003, 01:17:41 PM
Looks like Conan has a certain something on his mind when he goes on those dates with that shirt.  :P

  Of course thats the hope of interesting conversation about Eastwood and his movies...or something else classy like that.

 ;D
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Post by: Brendan on May 16, 2003, 01:23:28 PM
 Of course thats the hope of interesting conversation about Eastwood and his movies...or something else classy like that.

 ;D

I see.  :o

They dont call back often do they?  :P
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Post by: Conan on May 16, 2003, 01:40:45 PM
I see.  :o

They dont call back often do they?  :P

  Sadly, most don't :(  With the exception of your sister of course.

:)  Just funnin'

  To keep my post on-topic:  Aside from another Western, I would like Clint to step into the Sci-fi genre just once.  The hard part is that its not easy to make a good sci-fi flick, most end up being cheesy and unoriginal.
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Post by: Brendan on May 16, 2003, 02:09:09 PM
 Sadly, most don't :(  With the exception of your sister of course.

:)  Just funnin'

 >:(

To keep my post on-topic:  Aside from another Western, I would like Clint to step into the Sci-fi genre just once.  The hard part is that its not easy to make a good sci-fi flick, most end up being cheesy and unoriginal.

He did, with Firefox and Space Cowboys. I'd consider both of those sci-fi movies.

And what about Unforgiven? Geeze, that was clearly a sci-fi movie.  :P

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Post by: Christopher on May 16, 2003, 02:24:30 PM
 Sadly, most don't :(  With the exception of your sister of course.
LOL! Oh my goodness, that's hysterical! ;D

I think Space Cowboys is probably the closest to Sci-fi we'll see from Clint. Hey, maybe he could be in the next Star Wars movie. That worked great for Alec Guiness.
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Post by: Conan on May 16, 2003, 02:34:42 PM
>:(He did, with Firefox and Space Cowboys. I'd consider both of those sci-fi movies.
 
  Sorry, all of my guy friends are "mom/sister jokers"...I can't help myself sometimes.
  No aliens or futuristic mechanical bad guys means no sci-fi for me.  "Space Cowboys" involves space, but there wasn't much fiction to the science in it.
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Post by: Matt on May 16, 2003, 03:39:45 PM
I have a good luck dress shirt that I've worn for dates before.

Conan... it's time to get a new "good luck" charm. (http://home.swfla.rr.com/mattreigns/uhh.gif)  ;)