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If you didn't know anything about Clint except the three "Dollars" films and Dirty Harry, and someone told you Clint is also a director, and his directorial debut is about a laid-back California jazz disc jockey, who is in an on-again, off-again relationship with a wan blonde, but he never lets that stop him from picking up attractive women in a bar where he hangs out after work ... seriously, if I then asked you who you think he cast as the disc jockey, would you ever in a million years have answered "Himself"?

It's a very un-Eastwood like role, and he's excellent in it.

I've enjoyed the discussion too, and I think everyone has made some good points.

One thing I would do is start by asking which Eastwood films the person has already seen. In the case of my friend, I'd be willing to bet he hasn't actually seen anything Clint appears in. (I know I made him and his wife watch Invictus, after they'd been on a trip to South Africa, so he's seen that, at least.) He's not really a movie person and often relies on whatever he reads in the New Yorker or the New York Review of Books to tell him what to think inform his critical opinion. (Couldn't resist that bit of fun with the strikethrough formatting.)

Now this hypothetical person, as you say, is familiar with Clint's work and thinks he's a good director. But maybe he has only seen Clint in one or  more of his "typical" roles? In that case, almost anything else would do, starting with The Beguiled, or maybe even better, Play Misty for Me, up to The Bridges of Madison County and beyond. Actually, those three might be my selection, in any event.

Eastwood News / Re: Bill Gold RIP
« on: May 21, 2018, 06:53:37 AM »
Sad news. Thanks for posting, Palooka.


Off-Topic Discussion / Re: The Celebrity Obituary Thread
« on: May 20, 2018, 08:48:34 PM »
I was going to post this last week, but am just finding time now. Anne V. Coates, the film editor, has died at the age of 92. She won an Oscar for her work on Lawrence of Arabia (1963), and four more nominations, most recently in 1998 for Out of Sight by Steven Soderbergh. There's a minor Eastwood connection: Her next-to-last nomination was for In the Line of Fire in 1993. (She also won an honorary Oscar in 2016.)

Here's the link to the Times obituary:

I never knew the famous "match cut" (literally) in Lawrence was her idea:

In one scene, T. E. Lawrence, a junior British Army officer during World War I, is ordered to the Arabian Peninsula. Receiving the order, he leans over to light the cigarette of a British diplomat (played by Claude Rains), then stares transfixed at the still-lighted match between his fingers.

Lawrence blows out the match, and in the instant he does, the action cuts from the smoldering flame to a panorama of the sunrise over burning desert sands.

In that single cut — born when Ms. Coates looked into Mr. O’Toole’s eyes and chose to splice two discrete bits of film together — is contained the passage of time, a journey through space and a delicious visual pun: a literal “match” cut.

The director Steven Spielberg has described that cut as “the transition that blew me away” when he first saw the film as a youth.

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Eastwood News / Re: THE MULE: Production Information and News
« on: May 19, 2018, 11:11:09 PM »
That wasn't a mule in A Fistful of Dollars, though. It was a horse. A very old horse, but a horse. The Baxter men were just making fun of it by calling it a mule.

Of course, there was also Two Mules for Sister Sara pretty early on in Clint's career.

Hi, TomTurner, and welcome to the Board!

This is a thoughtful post. Personally, I don't think Josey could have had any idea, after hearing Grandma Sarah talk, that he had killed her son, specifically, among the many other deaths he was responsible for. How would he have known what he looked like? For the same reason, Grandma couldn't have suspected him, specifically, among the many other "Missouri ruffians" her son had done battle with, of being her son's killer. She had never seen him before. But they certainly each understood that this was a possibility, and that is what makes their relationship so tense in the beginning, and their mutual reconciliation and the "new harmonious life" they embark on with the rest of the makeshift family so moving.

From that post you referenced in the "Film Discussion Thread" for The Outlaw Josey Wales

Further along in the movie, we note that Grandma Sarah has a change of heart when she prays aloud:

    GRANDMA SARAH: Lord, thanks a lot for bringing us to this place. Pa and Daniel died at the hands of that low-down, murdering trash out of hell that done 'em in. But they put up a good fight, and died the best they could. And thanks a lot for Josey Wales, who you changed from a murdering bushwhacker on the side of Satan to a better man in time to deliver us from the Philistines. And thank you, Lord, for getting us together in Texas.

Grandma Sarah seems to think that Josey is the one who has changed, rather than herself. Discuss what you think finally precipitates her change of heart.

I think they both have changed. Especially in a civil war like this, where atrocities were committed by both sides, each believing firmly that their cause was the just one and the other side deserved what it got, it would be hard not to see those on the opposite side as entirely evil. But when the war is over, and the scarred human beings have to live with one another, they have to find a way to change themselves, and recognize that others may have changed as well. Of course there were die-hards who would never allow their prejudices to soften even a little bit, and if their whole family has been slaughtered, we can understand that. But we feel more for those who are able to overcome their past and live with hope towards a better future.

In the movie, the final shot is a freeze frame. Josey is badly wounded, but he has killed his archenemy Terrill (who he does know was responsible for killing his wife and son at the beginning) and is free for the moment of further pursuit by the vengeful Union troops, thanks to the support of the saloon patrons and Fletcher. Now we see Josey riding off, not into the sunset as in Western cliché, but into the sunrise. But to what destination? Here is another question posed in that long-ago "Film Discussion Thread":

At the end of the movie, Josey, wounded, leaves the scene of his showdown with Terrill and his tacit reconciliation with Fletcher, and starts to ride off into the sunrise. He is caught in a freeze frame, and the final credits come up. What happens next? Do you think Josey is going back to his surrogate family, or is he going off by himself, as he had intended to do earlier that morning? Do you think he will survive, or will he die of his wounds? If he lives, will he attempt to start a new a life with Laura Lee and the others? Why or why not?

The best answer we got in that thread (or the one I agreed with most, anyway), was from mgk:

In my opinion, Josey rides off toward the ranch where everyone is waiting for him.  He has reluctantly gathered up this new family of his but he's very grateful to have them around.  He hopes that now that the Texas Rangers think that he is dead and Fletcher has given him a new opportunity to get rid of his "hunted man" image, he is ready to settle down again and make something of him life similar to the way it was when he lost his first family at the beginning of the movie.

But don't forget the last line spoken in the move, "I reckon we all died a little in that damned war."

Eastwood News / Re: THE MULE: Production Information and News
« on: May 19, 2018, 08:16:44 AM »
Since this is now all "official," I've changed the thread title to "Production Information and News." We'll post all updates here until the time comes when the reviews start coming in, and then we'll start a new thread for that. :)

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Movies I have watched this week
« on: May 18, 2018, 07:48:26 AM »
^ Agreed. That cutting around in time could have been very confusing, but wasn't (thanks partly, if I recall right) by the use of intertitles giving the date and place.

I'd almost like to see it a second time, though, to more clearly understand what was going on in some of the early flashbacks.

General Discussion / Re: CLINT PICS!
« on: May 17, 2018, 06:42:35 AM »
Thanks for sharing that, SDS! :)

Wow, that's really a good one, AKA! I'll have to think about this. I too hear this (a lot), from one friend in particular with a suppressed sneer in his voice.

May I ask KC.. After being so impressed by Unforgiven.... What was your second Eastwood film. Where did you look next.. ?

Can't remember for sure ... I saw a number of them at a retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art the next year. It may have been A Fistful of Dollars. I know I saw that one early on, at least, and it made a deep impression, as did Dirty Harry, also one of my first. Later that year I attended a film series in connection with a course on Clint at the New School, which is how I met the film studies professor who would later invite me to co-edit Clint Eastwood: Interviews.

Even back then I was especially interested in Clint as a director. One of the first of his directorial efforts I saw after Unforgiven was High Plains Drifter. I remember really anticipating it, and it did not disappoint!

Trivia Games / Re: Clint's Clothing
« on: May 14, 2018, 09:16:46 PM »
It certainly sounds like something Gus would do!  ;D

Trivia Games / Re: Clint's Clothing
« on: May 13, 2018, 07:48:30 PM »
OK, how about this? :)

It's very dark green, but definitely green compared with Amy Adams' black jacket.

EDIT: It's definitely woven, not knit. ;)

Trivia Games / Re: Clint's Clothing
« on: May 12, 2018, 06:04:08 PM »
Yeah, the one in the above screencap could be blue, or blue-green at best.

I have the DVD, so I'll try to get a screencap, but it will have to wait a bit. Later tonight, hopefully.

Trivia Games / Re: Clint's Clothing
« on: May 12, 2018, 08:31:38 AM »
You are on the right track Gant! It is Trouble with the Curve but I dont think its either of those shirts. Its kind of tough to tell but I think he may wear multiple colors of the same style, one of which looks more green. Or, maybe its lighting and our eyes are playing tricks on us? KC, isnt there another shirt that is more clearly dark green which he also wears?

How about this one? :)

Good job, Gant! I never would have thought of Trouble with the Curve8)

Trivia Games / Re: Clint's Clothing
« on: May 12, 2018, 01:34:00 AM »
That's green? ???

Trivia Games / Re: Clint's Clothing
« on: May 11, 2018, 06:39:36 PM »
OK, but definitely long-sleeved, right? :)

Trivia Games / Re: Clint's Clothing
« on: May 10, 2018, 06:09:11 PM »
Knit or broadcloth? :)

I probably shouldn't have thrown out the word "broadcloth." I meant ordinary woven shirt fabric, as opposed to a knit fabric such as is used in polo shirts. Like this:

I should have said "Knit or woven?"

From Wikipedia:

Polo shirts are usually made of knitted cloth (rather than woven cloth),

In the Million Dollar Baby pic, as well as in the Fistful of Dollars pic that AKA already nixed, Clint is wearing a polo shirt. Collared, but short sleeved. And knit, not woven.

Trivia Games / Re: Clint's Clothing
« on: May 10, 2018, 07:31:29 AM »
But I thought it was long-sleeved, and not a polo-type shirt? ???

Eastwood News / Pierre Rissient, R.I.P.
« on: May 09, 2018, 07:00:14 PM »
Pierre Rissient, the French all-round film maven, whose championing of Clint's career goes all the way back to The Beguiled in 1971, has died. He was 81.

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Mr. Rissient filled roles that no one could easily define but that all agreed were vital: scouting movies for Cannes, advising directors, making introductions, cultivating journalists. “A cinema guru,” “an ambassador of film” and “the Cannes-do man” are among the phrases reporters used to describe him.

When Todd McCarthy, a longtime film critic for Variety, made a documentary about him in 2007, he titled it simply “Man of Cinema.”

But he made his real mark in promotion, working in that business during the 1960s and ’70s with Mr. Tavernier. They were not the kind who would plug just any movie.

“We were partners during nearly 10 years,” Mr. Tavernier said, “working as freelance press agents. We were only picking films we loved.”

Among the people who caught their eye was Mr. Eastwood, then known mostly from roles in westerns, though he was seeking to broaden his acting résumé with a Civil War drama, Don Siegel’s “The Beguiled,” and was also starting his directing career.

“In 1971, I went to Paris for only the first or second time in my life, with Don Siegel, for the release of ‘The Beguiled,’ ” Mr. Eastwood said by email. “We met these two maniacal publicists, Bertrand Tavernier and Pierre Rissient, who loved the picture and wanted to handle it. They were famous for pinning people up to the wall if they didn’t agree with them about something!”

The relationship Mr. Eastwood formed with Mr. Rissient would be a lasting one. Mr. Rissient’s promotional efforts gave Mr. Eastwood considerable cachet in France, which in turn elevated his career in the United States.

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