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yes  - of course....sorry!

Jtobin--please be sure to fill us in on as much as you can for the short amount of time you'll be there watching out for spoilers of course.

I would be interested to know especially if Clint shoots much of your sequence in the first take like he traditionally does....

Plus if your able to take pictures that would be great too!

Deleted my whole defence of Angie down so as not to distract from the subject of the making of her film.

okay-so whats the deal here- has reported that Flags will be released in a
TWO DISC special MAY!

And yes- I am well aware of all the studios pulling this kind of trick-
Yeah yeah I am also well aware they may have been trying to rush out the DVD so that people who didnt care to see the film in the theater (understandable- overpriced snacks and uncaring teenybop clerks and twnety minutes of commercials- none of that in your own home)
But still-----the timing seemed about right for the usual release timetable of a film AND the fact that an Eastwood DVD rarely has any extras at I bought it.

And now the news from this internet site today-UGH!!!

So I  went ahead and (like a loyal Eastwood fan) went out and paid 8 bucks for the film in the theater and in February I bought the rushed out DVD for 19 dollars

and now if I want the extras I'll have to pay an ADDITIONAL 24 bucks!!!
 :o :o :o
What extras you may ask?
Intro by Eastwood ;D
Words on the Page :D
Six Brave Men O0
Making of an Epic :)
Raising the Flag O0
Visual Effects :o
Looking into the Past 8)

best extras ever for Eastwood eh? ;D ;D ;D

But this seems more like a way to put a quick couple of million in the bank from DVD sales for the first quarter then being all gooey and kind hearted to the fans who may want to watch the DVD and catch Iwo Jima before it leaves the theaters. Got that Oscars train to catch of course but then it only got an Oscar for sound editing which isnt much of an Oscar actually----anyone can make sounds. Original screenplay would have been nice though- anyway-

So it looks like the studio will release the blue ray and the HD versions in May...which is fine but why not do all the versions THEN and have a big rollout instead of having alot of angry fans who are now stuck with the DVD version and no extras.

But its okay though----

Think I'll just give the 19 dollar version I bought to a friend for free....see, not everyone cares for the 2nd disc......they just want the film.

So this way they get a free movie and Dreamworks loses out on 24 bucks in May ^-^ ^-^

Maybe alot of people who bought that February version will do the same thing too----
seems fair- after all, they did it to us.
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: 2007 Movie Discussion
« on: March 11, 2007, 05:43:25 PM »
No problem- fair enough and I should have started the thread there in the first place.

Anyway- '300' wound up maing more then even I thought it would....

and yes- anyone else who has opinions on the two films please comment-

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: 2007 Movie Discussion
« on: March 10, 2007, 03:33:31 PM »
Letters from Iwo Jima VS. '300'. (the film) SPOILERS allowed

This weekend will be interesting

Two very similar stories about war.

Two very similar directors as well.

Box office---
Letters is winding down and though it made quite a bit overseas, the numbers domestically were dissapointing to say the least. (almost 14 milion)
300 (according to is predicted to make easily almost 60 to 70 million this weekend alone!

And its very interesting because BOTH films have several similarities.

1. Zack Snyder tends to lean towards (what are considered) risky projects as does Eastwood

2. Historically- The events of Letters from Iwo Jima  happened 60 years ago (which is a lifetime to todays audience...and remember, Japanese arent even TAUGHT about the war!) and is told from the point of view of the Japanese.
The events of 300 also happened thousands of years ago and is also told from the point
of view of the participants.

3.  Both groups of characters in these films are horribly outnumbered.

4.  Between the two films- 300 is more anticipated (simply?) because of the striking color pallette and film technique being used and arguably- Iwo Jima is just another WW 2 war film........and yet BOTH groups of characters are the very same ages of the target audiences of todays audience- males aged 17 to 30.

5. Both films were created out of nothingness and based on historically true events.

Clint Eastwood commissioned Letters because of his research for Flags.

Frank Miller wrote and illustrated '300' in the 80's and while it was successful to a point the comic book didnt really take off until now- with the film coming out.

Also arguably- if it werent for Eastwood who thought up the idea WHILE IN PREPRODUCTION for another film he was commited to....and Frank Miller who thought of writing and illustrating a long forgotten battle, NEITHER film would have been made at all and both stories would have probably never been made since they had been all but forgotten in todays schools.

If anyone has seen 300 this weekend feel free to chime in and offer and opinion or two on this. I just thought it was worth noting.

Cool news...I figured now that the Oscars are finished and Flags and Letters are wrapping up their boxoffice runs and headed for DVD that we'd hear something from the guy.

He's great at mysteries too.

Could be a fairly large budget being a period piece too-
1920's costumes and cars and such would all need to be rounded up and prepped.

According to  J. Michael turned in the final draft of the script September 06 and Ron Howards production company was planning to start filming late summer 2007. (this was reported as of December 2007) So if all the contracts go through and they CAN start filming say, by August....Clint could have it filmed in a few months and then edited and (hopefully) do the soundtrack by December--we could possibly see this thing in February or March 2008 (?????)

A possible bonus for us all.....If filming really isn't due to start til later this year maybe he'll want to fill in the time with a quick acting gig as well? Or perhaps another directing project that he could crank out between now and The Changling???

It will be interesting as the filming date gets closer to see an interview with J. Michael Stranczynski and see what inspired him (being a hot sci-fi writer fan favorite(Babylon 5) to tackle such a reality based subject.....

Good to see Clint's keeping busy.

Frank Darabont (Green Mile. Shawshak Redemption 2 disc collector editions) does very good commentaries. He described much of the filmmaking process and behind the scenes  and lots of other trivia about the film(s)

My main complaint actually is there were several interviews with Eastwood about the project as well as an interview he did with Charlie Rose WITH Paul Haggis and all I'm asking/wondering is why those few bits weren't added here.
AND a documentary about the conflict (which I am sure the History Channel should have several hours they could have negotiated for) would have been a good complimentary match.

Of course, MAYBE they (whoever THEY are who make the final decsions on just what exactly GOES on the DVD) are really waiting for the Letters From Iwo Jima DVD to come out and put the 2nd disc with THAT release since it may be a tougher sell being it is a foreign film and all.
(Although according to the internet such as
Letters is past the 7 million dollar sales mark domestically and rapidly approaching 8 and with the Oscars approaching it's sure to hit 10 million if it wins an award. (still not enough to make back the original 15 million dollar budget but it'll be alot more then even I expected))

I mean I can understand that he may feel the actual WORK should speak for itself and it
has spoken for itself as it is now wrapping up its theatrical run.


These days, instead of fragile VHS tape we used to buy,  all films are preserved on very durable DVD.

Available forever for future generations to enjoy, study and appreciate.

Heck, this film (and Letters From Iwo Jima) could qualify not only in and of themselves as films....but also as-----
1. Learning tools for schools and colleges around the world in some history class

2. A way for future filmmakers to not only study the film itself but also enjoy watching the man at his craft.

3. Fans of the man's work could also enjoy extras and featurettes

4. Yes, even a good audio commentary is generally good for ONE listen-thru but still--- everybody does them these days. But even without an audio commentary (from at LEAST the producer) we would still enjoy some featurettes or 'Making of' pieces.
 Even hundreds of badly made films have all of this stuff.

Down side?
WEll, what many DVD buyers do NOT appreciate is the double/triple dipping studios shamelessly do. I will rent this one and see it again but like others I will wait a bit and see if the studio will release a Boxed set (for both historical and collector purposes as well as the fact it would be a really cool boxed set) and maybe we'll get some featurettes that way......

If anything should have a behind the scenes feature it should be these two films.
As I said, not only would the fans and young filmmakers enjoy them but thousands of teachers would love to show not only the film but some well made Iwo Jima documentary (which should have at LEAST been on this DVD release) ABOUT the war and what happened and why.......

Oh well. At least Eastwood was able to make the film he wanted and now its available for all.
Maybe the tenth anniversary edition will have a two disc edition.......
(or the studio is waiting for the seventyfifth anniversary of the event itself before releasing something we all deserve to see and own.     sigh..................
Guess they'll never learn.

But thanks Clint- it's a great film and maybe it will see a larger audience now that it IS out on DVD since maybe since it was the Holidays or it got stuck in a bad time slot that nobody made time to see it but now that they can own or rent it maybe it will be seen by the larger audience it deserves. (And Letters is probably a month or so down the road so maybe the studio will get some of its investment back- an Oscar or two should help that point tremendously)

Eastwood News / Re: Who saw LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA? (No spoilers!)
« on: January 22, 2007, 08:15:28 PM »
I saw it today and I agree with Holden Pike
There IS more honor in choosing life then self sacrifice......

The only small complaint i had was that Clint could have spared a moment or two to better show the months it took those guys to dig all those tunnels all the while suffering the heat, smell of the sulfer, and rationing their food.....(like- where did they put all the dirt they dug from underground?)

It has been noted that Eastwood was so impressed with the General's plan to DIG 18 miles of tunnels in an attempt to hold the island, despite what HIS commanders or his own troops may have thought and yes, Eastwood did touch on it a little in the film abd DID show that man was somewhat compassionate to the common troops (many times right in front of the people in charge of those troops (which had to have had some impact for both) but I actually feel an additional twenty minutes or so could have been added to REALLY show the impressive manpower and force of will they used to prepare. Several three hour films have been successful.

But oh well--- I was still very, very impressed with the whole look and feel of the film.
The silent quiet moments were just as stunning as the shelling and fighting moments.

I too would have liked to have seen a few scenes with hundreds of Japanese....but with a 19 million dollar budget, one has to make do.

I especially loved the moment when the general peeks out of the cave and sees that the strategic mountain position they were defending had fallen. (when he DOES peek out of the cave...take a look to the far right hand side of the screen at the top of the mountain (gotta love that widescreen) and you'll see THE FLAG being hoisted into the air---)

Seeing the flag going up in the distance (which of course was the focal point of 'Flags', from the perspective of the General looking out over the island from HIS vantage point really struck home the point of these two films....there are no good guys or bad guys in war. Each 'side' thinks that they are correct in their struggle.

That theme that Eastwood loves to explore--Innocent lives interrupted- is handled quite well here.

Innocent soldiers (on BOTH sides) many of whom will not live to return home and finish their hopes and dreams....i

Eastwood News / Re: LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA Box Office thread
« on: January 22, 2007, 08:01:46 PM »
yes- it is finally (finally-FINALLY) out 'wide' accross the country and it did some amazing business considering
1. it is technically a foreign (subtitled!!) film
2. the war accross the pond is becoming incresingly unpopular (which cant be too great for business--why go SEE a fictional (though fact based) 60 year old  war on the screen when you see a real present day one every night on the news?)

But still--I am quite impressed that it stands at 2,400,000
From what I've read...
just before it went wide it was in 35 screens doing $40,000 a day
and now it's wide (in 390 theaters all over the place)(and compare that with the average weekend opening of the avg. film which would open in a few THOUSAND screens----)
and in just the past weekend alone the total NOW stands at 2,400,000.....

Very very impressive but I still think its the core war film audience coming out to see what all the critical praising fuss is all about-

The true test of course is if many of the people who saw it this weekend go back to work and tell their friends if it was good or not-

and the average conversation at the average job FOR that subject is usually...
"Hey I went and saw Letters From Iwo Jima over the weekend"
"Was it good?"
"Yeah- for a foreign film"


"Hey I saw Letters"
"Any good?"
"Yeah it was okay"

BOOM- instant thumbs up or thumbs down and that new person will decide before they go home for dinner to tell the wife or husband they'd like to see it the following weekend and they arrange for a babysitter and plan an evening out....and thats all it is.....
the second weekend viewrship is just as critical for a film as the opening weekend.
Because the interviews are over-those all happened in  DEcember when the film opened in New York and LA
I mean, yeah, itll get a mention here and there over the coming months with Oscar coming up but theaters need to make room for coming new films. They really wont want to hold over a war film (critical praise or not) for another couple months waiting for Oscars to get on TV.

Of course IF it does win something itll be re-released but in an even more limited amount of screens then now---

so this next weekend will tell if it keeps going and makes more money or falls off the radar.
Then its simply the waiting for the DVD to hit by spring.

But I saw it today and its MUCH better then Flags....

Questions & Answers / Re: Whats the name of the song?
« on: December 26, 2006, 10:35:48 AM »

Questions & Answers / Whats the name of the song?
« on: December 26, 2006, 10:01:43 AM »
The end credits of Space Cowboys

WARNING  slight spoiler-----
if you havent seen Space Cowboys-----

The end song as the camera swoops over the surface of the moon and settles on the astronaut and I am pretty sure its Frank Sinatra singing "Fly me to the Moon" and then just as we get that very cool close up of the helmet and the drums beat out the final cords just as
Produced and Directed by
Clint Eastwood

whats the name of that song and isnt that Frank Sinatra singing it?

I want to go to itunes to buy it for my collection but I cant see it- I thought for sure it would be called Fly me to the Moon but I cant find it--

a little help please! THANKS!!

General Discussion / Re: How much for a (Letters)screenplay?
« on: December 24, 2006, 10:33:52 AM »
Well, just today on Sunday Morning Shootout with Peter Bart and Peter Guber on AMC TV (it was a rerun from probably October FLAGS was about to open) he was WITH Paul Haggis
so theres one (solid) source....

I am no good with links and such
all thumbs with the computer

But there was one other source where Eastwood repeated the story of how he went to Haggis and said he 'didn't have alot of money' to pay for a screenwriter and if Haggis knew of one of his students or someone they could get the project going.....But I can't remember- it could be one of several interviews with the man.

And I apologise for my rambling and not making my point clearer----(I will go back and try to shorten it up a bit) but I should think that if I had big Hollywood money and there was a story I wanted told I would sure go into my own bank account and at LEAST pay scale so that I could at least get a screenplay done I could shop around.....To me it just seemed like Eastwood joked it off a little too much. Sure its funny within it's context but hundreds of thousands of unknowns would love any trivial bits of information so they can know the process of breaking into the industry a bit better.

General Discussion / How much for a (Letters)screenplay?
« on: December 24, 2006, 09:51:59 AM »
RE-edited by iconfan to try to make the question clearer......

This will be a delicate question as it involves asking how much money someone in the industry made which as with all conversations of this type, -from Hollywood gossip to the neighbor down the street who just installed a backyard patio-it's considered bad form to ask.

But I am asking anyway since I should think  film students, film fans and especially wannabe screenwriters here on the board are very curious as to how this process works. Besides which---on any given week- you can find many entertainment sources that reveal how much one actor made vs. another actor or the budget of this film compared to that film etc etc etc...

My specific question is to the 'story' of how Clint went to Paul Haggis and asked him if he knew any screenwriters who would want to write the Letters screenplay. Especially since (as Eastwood had said) He had no money to pay for the screenplay. (I took it mean of course,....very little pay)

Now this has been said during an interview (specifically this mornings AMC channel SUNDAY MORNING SHOOTOUT with Peter Guber and Peter Bart. ) as a toss-away joke kind of thing which is supposed to cover the subject (I assume) and your supposed to go away satisfied that well, they obviously handled the problem since the film did indeed get made (FROM a screenplay)

I should think since he obviously wanted to get the film made, he could have easily written a check from his own checking account and gotten reimbursed from Dreamworks. (which could have been said in the form of "well, I didnt have alot of money and I offered her what is known as scale wages which I hoped she would accept. And of course she did." Or at least joke about it the way Donald Sutherland did when he was asked to star in Space Cowboys...He jokingly said "Great- Where do I send the check?" But of course he got SOME kind of paycheck even though theres probably a long list of actors who would gladly work FOR scale in order to have the honor of working with Eastwood)

Hell, Mel Gibson has done two major films from his own pocket himself. Gibson obviously had the personal funds of  a hundred million dollars to film Passion of the Christ and it did in fact go on to sit comfortably in the top ten films of all time and earned Gibson back his personal investment five times over....I should think that Clint could easily have paid just above basic scale (whatever it is) and one of Paul's student's (as it happens) Iris Yamas@#ta would have been just as thrilled to DO it for scale wages. (I should think scale would be about a few thousand a week )

So how did Iris finally get paid....

Wouldn't it be already part of the budget FOR Letters?
Unless Eastwood KNEW it would be a tough sell and he needed a screenplay to shop around in which case where DO you get the upfront money to pay someone to create a screenplay not even knowing if the film will see the light of day?

And if in fact it was a part of the budget then why would Eastwood just blow it off as something that almost didnt get done at all because he didn't have any cash laying around and maybe the studio wasn't about to pay even scale wages for a first time screenwriter for what must have seemed at the time (preproduction) quite a risky subject. (even though prize winning Eastwood himself would be the director)(And NO, the studio as far as I know did NOT indicate that. But I am just curious as to what happened. IF anyone knows)

So if anyone has information on this I would appreciate it. I tired not to make this sound crass or too negative but it just seems silly to me when filmmakers 'blow off' important tivia/information when thousands of fans and or other wannabe screenwriters are out in the real world hungry for information about this kind of behind the scenes info.

Which is important information FOR unknowns looking to break into the indusrtry aside from all of the countless other drivel that is over-available for all to see....such as the latest nosepicking Paris Hilton did or even more news about Tom Cruise's child. (I feel---hey okay the guy had a kid....but whats the next film he plans to do? lets get to the meat and potatoes of info)

I am also very interested because I feel LETTERS could very well become a classic if not a cult classic among both critics and film fans. Not making hundreds of millions but being considered something that will be studied and admired for generations.

And take note of the fact that the movie (Letters) was filmed from a FIRST DRAFT also!

And I feel it will also thrust Iris into a big spotlight as well and might lead to even more work for her.

But little trivia about the behind the scenes would be quite interesting to all ....just like the amazing story of how Sylvester Stallone wrote the ROCKY screenplay in 3 days and shopped it around and actually had a studio offer him a few hundred thousand dollars for the screenplay (which back in the seventies for a first time writer/unkown was an amazing payday in and of itself) and then the fact that he had the guts to ask to be the lead character or else he would KEEP the screenplay!

And of course, he starred and went on to make history and even now, this very weekend, over 30 years AFTER he sold that first screenplay----Rocky Balboa (the 5 th sequel) looks to make at least 30 million its opening weekend when everybody thought it wouldnt make a dime....

amazing stories.

So, again, I am just curious.

The classic film Its a Wonderful Life is on and I had a thought I'd like to open up here for speculation....spinning off a bit on the scene where Clarence the Angel makes it possible for George Bailey to see what would have happened if he had never been born.......

As the story goes, Eastwood was in the middle of researching Flags of Our Fathers when he became very interested in the story of the Japanese General Kuribayshi and his incredible stradegy on the island of tunneling underground (almost 18 MILES of tunnels including multiple storied bunkers were made in preperation for the attack) as a form of defense against the incoming American troups.

FROM that research...Eastwood commisioned a screenplay and filmed it after editing Flags
in a few short weeks.
Much smaller budget.
Much shorter production time.
Arguably a Very bold move on Eastwood's part.

And now...Letters is receiving countless praise and a warm reception from not only critics but also the average moviegoer both here AND in Japan where, surprisingly, many of them had never heard of the war.

Now just think upon the few ironies that have unfolded so far......

What if Spielberg HAD been able to get a handle on his adaptaion of the popular book Flags of our Fathers....
Would he have done the same research Eastwood had done? Let alone thought to produce a companion film about the general?

What if any OTHER director would have optioned the book?
Would another director had included the General a bit more within the context of (their vision) a FLAGS film?

Would the General's story had been told at all?
Or would he and his efforts (and the sacrificed troups)remained a vauge footnote on a dozen pages of history books?

Now as we know- Flags has, unfortunately, for whatever reason, been met with little enthusiasm from filmgoers and has floundered at the boxoffice, (barely bringing in 40 million) while LETTERS...which was a direct result of Eastwood's keen intrest in the General's tactics, seems to be growing in popularity with both critics and filmgoers....

I just thought it was interesting and wanted to post it here. It will be very interesting to see what happens as the film opens wider into next month and also to see what reception it gets at the Oscars while in direct competition with it's companion film, FLAGS.

Because perhaps WITHOUT Eastwood having made that first film...LETTERS might not have been created at all and it may very well turn out ironically that with proper nurturing from the marketing department AND a growing support from filmgoers the world over that LETTERS could become not only one of Eastwood's most impressive projects in his career- but it could become one of the benchmark anti-war films of all time.

Perhaps.....perhaps not......

Any thoughts?

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