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General Discussion / Clint's "-handedness" (right-, left- ? both?)
« on: January 03, 2004, 12:40:16 AM »
Just out of curiosity:

Would anyone happen to know which hand Mr. Eastwood favors?
That is, is he naturally right-handed, left-handed, or ambidextrous?

In most of his films, he's portrayed RIGHT-HANDED characters, but  four that I can think of break that rule:

JOE KIDD (shot pistol RIGHT-handed, but shot rifle LEFT-handed);


THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES (shot pistols equally well with EITHER hand, and frequently used one pistol in EACH hand; however, shot rifle RIGHT-handed);

BRONCO BILLY (same as in above entry, except never used a rifle; threw knife with RIGHT hand)

There may be other films which I've forgotten, but those are the only ones which come to mind at the moment. Besides (and I'm almost ashamed to admit this), I haven't seen every film in which Mr. Eastwood has appeared.  ;)

As always, thanks in advance for any responses.

Questions & Answers / Re:Clint Eastwood/John Wayne
« on: November 24, 2003, 03:22:49 PM »
DAmbrosia, Lt. Briggs:

The submachinegun used by John Wayne in "McQ" was a MAC-10 (also known as an "Ingram Model 10"), built by Military Armaments Corporation (who was mentioned in the lead credits, BTW). The guy playing the gun dealer in the film had it pretty much right: the little monster weighs about 6.75 pounds (3.06 Kg), the suppressor another 1.5 (0.68 Kg) or so. It fires both semiautomatic (one shot with each pull of the trigger), and fully automatic (continuing to fire for as long as the trigger is held back or ammunition remains in the magazine), with a rate of fire of about 1100-1200 rounds per minute in the case of this particular weapon.

The weapon purloined by the Duke in the film was most likely a Dealer Sample, and one of the fellows demonstrating it was probably supposed to be a Federal Class III Licensed Firearms Dealer--legally licensed to buy and sell such stuff as submachineguns, silencers, sawed-off shotguns (barrel length under 16.5" or overall length under 26", or both) and the like, as well as demonstrating them to potential customers. What he was most likely doing here was attempting to interest the Seattle Police Department's Special Weapons and Tactics (S.W.A.T.) team in the weapon.

If I remember what I read once, possession of a Class III firearm (like the MAC-10) or device (like the suppressor for that weapon) *WITHOUT THE PROPER PERMITS* (obtainable ONLY from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) is punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or imprisonment for up to five years, or BOTH, and the penalties are *CUMULATIVE*--which means that, had it been a real-life scenario, The Duke would've been in MAJOR legal trouble with Uncle Sam (for having  *BOTH*  the SMG and the suppressor) the moment he walked out of that gun shop with the MAC-10 in the athletic bag. I'm not even going to go into the problems he'd have for possessing a Dealer Sample (primarily because *I DON'T KNOW* the penalties involved), but suffice it to say that it would've been considerably more than just Grand Larceny, because *ONLY* a  Federal Class III Licensed Firearms Dealer is legally entitled to possess such a weapon, unless its status has been reclassified from "Class III Dealer Sample" to "Class III Weapon or Device" by the BATFE. There would also have been the Washington state or local laws to consider... <SHUDDER>

Incidentally, did you know that Clint was Warner Brothers'  *THIRD* choice to play "Dirty Harry" Callahan?
John Wayne was offered the role first, but turned it down. Frank Sinatra was their second choice, and actually shot some footage, but had to drop out after he suffered an injury (to either his hand or wrist; it depends upon which source you consult). Clint Eastwood was next asked to tackle the project and the rest, as the saying goes, is history. :)


General Discussion / Re: Clint's Guns
« on: November 22, 2003, 02:52:46 PM »
The Man With No Name:

You're correct.

Or as Don Rickles said in KELLY'S HEROES, "You win a cookie."  :)

I read several years ago that  there were several substitutions for the .44 Magnum co-star made during the filming of DIRTY HARRY.

The standard gun was a Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 Magnum, with blued finish,  checkered Goncalo Alves ( a tropical American hardwood known also as "Kingwood" or "Zebrawood") hardwood grips, a rear sight that was adjustable for windage (side-to-side movement) and elevation (up-and-down movement), and a 6.5" barrel.

However, because there was a shortage of that model at the time (possibly in CA state gun shops, and not a production shortage at Smith & Wesson, as some have hinted here, although I am not certain), some Smith & Wesson Model 57s were used--this pistol is virtually IDENTICAL to the Model 29 except for caliber (the Model 57 is a .41 Magnum rather than a .44).

Also, possibly to make the weapon look more intimidating physically from some camera angles, several revolvers of both models with 8.375" (8 and 3/8ths-inch) barrels were used, most notably in the scene at the football stadium where Harry shouts "STOP!", and we (the viewers) are treated to a three-quarter view of the .44's right side (all the way to the muzzle--SHUDDER!),   just before Harry blows Scorpio's leg out from under him.


General Discussion / Re: Clint's Guns
« on: September 25, 2003, 05:21:53 PM »
Just asking:

Does anybody have an idea what the brass machine gun was which Ramon Rojo used to ambush the American soldiers in "A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS" ?

I think an 1886 Maxim, which was the first true machine gun (i.e., mechanically operated by the ammunition, rather than a manually-operated weapon, such as the Gatling gun) would fit the time period.

However, the only sources that I have say that the Maxim gun, while first purchased by the British government in 1885, were not used in combat until the Matabele wars in Africa in 1891.

If the weapon WAS a Maxim, I suppose that Ramon Rojo could've somehow gotten hold of one--after all, he and his family were, essentially, arms dealers.

Unfortunately, that's a hobby of mine--finding flaws in films, such as weapons that were produced later than the era in which the film takes place (1873 Colt Peacemakers and Winchesters in a film set during the Civil War, for example--a few of John Wayne's early films were like that :)).

Anyway--is there anyone here who might be able to shed a little light on this particular subject, and possibly identify the machine gun in question?

Thanks in advance. :)


The Dirty Harry Films / Re:Same black guy?
« on: September 21, 2003, 06:39:16 AM »
Jay74, Misty71:

I think Eastwood just has a core group of supporting actors with whom he feels comfortable.

Bradford Dillman ("Captain McKay" in "THE ENFORCER", "Captain Briggs" in "SUDDEN IMPACT"), is but one example.

Another is Michael Currie, who played "Captain Seerbacker" in "FIREFOX" (1982), "Lieutenant Donnelly" in "SUDDEN IMPACT" (1983), and "Captain Donnelly" (presumably the same character following a promotion) in "THE DEAD POOL" (1986).

Still another is Gregory Walcott, who played "Bob Mitchell" (the Sinola County Sheriff) in "JOE KIDD" (1972), and "Pope" (the overconfident CII operative) in "THE EIGER SANCTION" (1976).

And let's not forget the late John Mitchum, who played "Inspector Frank DiGeorgio" in "DIRTY HARRY" (1971), "MAGNUM FORCE" (1973), and "THE ENFORCER" (1976), as well as "Al" in "THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES" (1976).


The Dirty Harry Films / Re:DH's Holster
« on: September 21, 2003, 06:17:25 AM »
Happy to be of some help, KC!

My brother refers to me jokingly as "a walking repository of interesting, but useless, trivia".

However, it isn't ALWAYS useless....  ;D


The Dirty Harry Films / Re:DH's Holster
« on: September 20, 2003, 05:09:48 PM »
LSU Tiger:

The shoulder holster used in the "DIRTY HARRY" film series was custom-made.

Approximately 25 years ago, it was marketed to the general public as "The ORIGINAL 'DIRTY HARRY' Shoulder Holster" by Lawman Leather Goods (I think that was the company's original name). This company later became The Cattle Baron Leather Company. They normally advertised in firearms-related trade magazines, such as THE SHOTGUN NEWS.

The holster, while originally designed for a Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 Magnum with a 6.5" barrel, could be ordered for ANY large-frame double-action revolver with a barrel length of between 6" and 10".

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to turn up any information on it in quite some time. I tried a Web search only last week, but came up empty.

I hope this answers at least SOME of your questions. I'm sorry that I couldn't be of more help.


The Dirty Harry Films / Re:Harry's Badge?
« on: September 20, 2003, 04:50:15 PM »

"Inspector 71" was Harry Callahan's RADIO CALL SIGN in the original film.

I'm not certain about the others.

There was a short-lived "DIRTY HARRY" fiction series by Warner Books (12 books, written by Dane Hartman,  published between August, 1981 and March, 1983--unfortunately, Harry was the only character from any of the films carried over into the storyline) which mistakenly referred to him as "Inspector #71 of the San Francisco Police Department".
The books also had him carrying a back-up handgun (a .38 Special snubby) in an ankle holster. Now, that sounds odd to me. Harry NEVER carried a second gun in any of the films and, given his derisive comments about that caliber to Kate Moore (Tyne Daly) in "THE ENFORCER" ("The .357's a good weapon, but I've seen .38s bounce off a plate-glass window. That's no good in a city like this."), I personally think that, if he DID carry a second gun, it would be something more powerful than a .38.


General Discussion / Re: Clint's Guns
« on: September 20, 2003, 02:51:25 PM »

I'm not quite certain, but I believe that Eastwood used the SAME holster and gunbelt set for "JOE KIDD" that he did for the earlier "Spaghetti Westerns".  However, he did NOT use the same gun--the pistol he used in "A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS" and "FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE" had a 4.75" barrel, while the one he used in "JOE KIDD" had a 7.5" barrel--something the holster easily accommodated, because it was open at the end. (This was a feature common in the 1950s "Fast Draw" craze; it allowed a hardened steel plate to be affixed to the end of the holster, parallel to the shooter's leg, but angled slightly away from his body. The idea was that, in the event of an accidental discharge while drawing the gun in a competition using live ammunition, the plate would safely deflect the bullet  away from the shooter's body.)

It was originally made for him by the late Andy Anderson, the same man who designed and made the silver-inlaid rattlesnake grip panels showcased in those films. Until shortly before his death about 20 years ago, Anderson made virtually ALL of the leatherware that Eastwood used in his Western films--from his days as "Rowdy Yates" on "RAWHIDE" until he played the lead in "THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES".


General Discussion / Re: Clint's Guns
« on: September 19, 2003, 08:59:52 AM »
My pleasure, KC!


General Discussion / Re: Clint's Guns
« on: September 18, 2003, 12:48:37 PM »
Incidentally, gentlemen and/or ladies, the Automag used in "SUDDEN IMPACT" was custom-built for the film by Arcadia Machine & Tool (AMT), a company which built the ORIGINAL Automags back in the 1970s.

According to GUNS & AMMO magazine, which did a cover article on the pistol in, I believe, June 1984, there were actually TWO such guns built for the film, serial numbered "Clint 1" and "Clint 2". The former was set up for LIVE ammunition (presumably for the impromptu range session between Eastwood (as "Harry Callahan") and Detective Horace King (played by Albert Popwell, who also had roles in "COOGAN'S BLUFF" ("Wonderful Digby"),  "DIRTY HARRY" (the "I gots to know!" bank robber), "MAGNUM FORCE" (a pimp), and "THE ENFORCER" (as "'Big Ed' Mustapha")). The second gun was set up to use blanks, and was featured in the shoot-out between Harry Callahan and Mick (Paul Drake) and his cronies at the end of the film.

Once again, no criticism intended of anyone else posting here. I'm just doing my part to help set the record straight.

-- John

General Discussion / Re: Clint's Guns
« on: September 18, 2003, 08:27:09 AM »
Couple of small corrections, guys:

First of all, although Alistair MacLean *DID* specify that Major Smith and Lieutenant Schaffer used silenced Lugers in the novel "WHERE EAGLES DARE", the German military had, according to J. David Truby's "SILENCERS, SNIPERS, AND ASSASSINS", given up on attempting to silence the Luger automatic during World War ONE. Seems the temperamental pistol's action didn't take to having the extra weight of a silencer attached to its barrel. Coupled with the low-velocity ammunition usually used with silenced weapons, the experimental Lugers were too prone to jamming to be reliable as combat weapons.
The automatics used in the film by Richard Burton, Clint Eastwood, and Mary Ure were WALTHER PPKs.

Secondly, the rifle used by Scorpio in "DIRTY HARRY" was NOT an M-1 Garand. The Garand is a SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifle, and Scorpio's weapon was a BOLT-ACTION--specifically, a Japanese Type 99 Type 2 Paratrooper's Rifle, which was one of two takedown variations of the basic Type 99 Arisaka battle rifle, intended for use by airborne paratroopers. The rifle used in "DIRTY HARRY" had been further modified by (1) the addition of a sporter (hunting rifle)-type stock; (2) conversion to .30-'06 from the standard Japanese 7.7 X 58MM Arisaka (essentially a rimless counterpart to the .303 British); (3) the addition of a telescopic sight in quick-detachable mount; and (4) the addition of a Maxim-type silencer.

Thirdly (and with all due respect to the gentleman who posted the original), the rifle shown under the "Coogan's Bluff" entry could just as easily be a MARLIN MODEL 336. It's SIMILAR in appearance, but NOT IDENTICAL, to the MOSSBERG Model 472 Brush Gun identified in the other gentleman's post. No criticism is intended here--I'm just pointing out that there is ANOTHER rifle that could have been used in the film.

And lastly, the Thompson-pattern SMG used by Eastwood  in "Kelly's Heroes" was NOT a Model 1928. Although MANY of them were procured for military use early in the war, that model of Thompson was superseded by the simplified Thompson M-1 and M-1A1 Military models, which are easily distinguished from the earlier models by the presence of the cocking knob on the RIGHT-HAND SIDE of the receiver, instead of on the TOP, as was the case in the earlier Models 1921, 1928 and the rare Model 1923. Also, the M-1 and M-1A1 Thompsons could only accept 20- and 30-round box magazines--the M-1921 and M-1928 could accept these too, as well as the 50- and 100-round drum magazines frequently shown in the gangster films of the 1930s and 1940s. If you look closely at "KELLY'S HEROES", you'll notice that (a) most, if not all, of the Thompson SMGs shown are of the M-1/M-1A1 pattern, and that (b) they ALL use box magazines (check out the scene after the first firefight when the Company Quartermaster (I *THINK* that's what he was supposed to be) is walking from man to man doling out Thompson SMG magazines from a duffel bag).


Questions & Answers / Re:Joe Kidd
« on: September 17, 2003, 08:50:16 AM »

Aside from the fact that most newspaper film  summaries dealing with "Joe Kidd" state that it takes place in "1900 New Mexico", there are several notable items (weapons used in the film)  that point out that it could be taking place no EARLIER than 1898:

(1) Lamarr Simms (Don Stroud) is showed using a Mauser Model 1896 semiautomatic pistol.

(2) During the sniper duel with Olin Mingo (James Wainwright), Joe Kidd assembles and uses a SMALL-BORE smokeless-powder Mauser hunting rifle--while Mauser was building bolt-action military rifles as early as 1871, that rifle was a black-powder 11mm (.43 or .44 caliber); their first small-bore model wasn't built until 1888, and the first mass-produced small-bore Mauser designed for smokeless powder was the 7mm Model 1891, used by Spain during the Spanish-American War.

and (3) The rifle used by Frank Harlin (Robert Duvall) during the film's climax (after he shoots at Kidd when Kidd offers to turn Luis Chama (John Saxon) over to Sheriff Bob Mitchell (Gregory Walcott, who later played "Pope" in "The Eiger Sanction")) was a Savage Model 1895 or 1899--both were striker-fired lever actions, and are externally identical-- almost impossible to tell apart without a detailed up-close examination.

Therefore, I think it safe to say that the film took place NO EARLIER than 1896, and NO LATER than 1911, as New Mexico became a state in 1912.
(When Chama and Co. barge into the courtroom and interrupt Kidd's hearing, the Judge explodes, "Now, I want to inform you people that you are in a UNITED STATES TERRITORIAL COURT!" (emphasis mine))


Questions & Answers / Re:Eiger Sanction sequel???
« on: September 17, 2003, 08:35:05 AM »

Just thought you might like to know--

Trevanian, the author of "The Eiger Sanction", wrote a sequel of his own to that novel called "The Loo Sanction", dealing with a retired Dr. Jonathan Hemlock becoming involved  in a search for a "mole" (double agent) within a secret division of Britain's MI-6 known only as "The Loo" (their offices were built in a converted mens' restroom in the basement of the main HQ).

I can't tell you any more without spoiling the book. ;)

"The Eiger Sanction" was first published in 1972, with "The Loo Sanction" following the next year.

Clint Eastwood Westerns / Couple of questions about "Joe Kidd"
« on: September 17, 2003, 07:20:55 AM »
Hello all.

I have a couple of questions about "Joe Kidd", which was, until the release of "In the Line of Fire" and "Absolute Power", one of my all-time favorite Clint Eastwood flicks.

First of all--does anyone besides me consider it to be the FOURTH "Spaghetti Western"? In "A Fistful of Dollars", the old undertaker ("Silvanito") refers to Eastwood's character as "Joe".

Secondly, at the end of "For a Few Dollars More", when Eastwood's character (called "Manco" in this film) is asked by Colonel Mortimer (Lee Van Cleef) what he intends to do with all the money (the combined bounty on Indio's gang, and the reward posted by the Bank of El Paso for the return of its stolen money), "Manco" replies something to the effect that he wants to retire from bounty hunting and become a rancher--he even has a nice piece of property picked out!

Thirdly, in "Joe Kidd", when told by Frank Harlan (Robert Duvall) that he "used to hunt men", Kidd (Eastwood) replies "That was a LONG time ago..."

Make sense to anyone else here?

Also, I'd like to know if anyone else besides me has had any luck identifying the two rifles used by Eastwood and actor James Wainwright ("Olin Mingo") in the sniper duel in the middle of "Joe Kidd". I've identified Mingo's rifle as either a Remington-Keene (a .45-70 bolt-action built just after the Civil War) or a Winchester Hotchkiss (another .45-70 bolt-action--however, this one wasn't produced until the late 1870s/early 1880s). I haven't had as much luck with the unusual takedown rifle used by Eastwood as Joe, though. I think it's an early Mauser (given that the earliest Mausers came out in 1871, and "Joe Kidd" is, judging by the weapons present (Lamarr Simms' (Don Stroud) Mauser C1896 automatic, and Frank Harlan's Savage Model 1899), the rifle was most likely an early smokeless-powder Mauser--the earliest of them was either the 1888 "Commission Rifle" (a combination of Mauser and Mannlicher designs), or the Model 1893 7mm, used by Spain in the Spanish-American War of 1898.

Any ideas?

Sorry I ran on for so long, BTW. :)

Clint Eastwood Westerns / Re:what were the faults with the walker colt.
« on: September 17, 2003, 06:59:48 AM »
KC and DAmbrosia:

You were pretty much dead-on with your assessment of the Walker Colt, with one exception:

According to most sources, including "THE GREAT GUNS", by Harold L. Peterson & Robert Elman, the Walker Colt weighed between 4.25 and 4.5 pounds, depending upon the source you consult. The later First, Second, and Third Model Dragoons weighed slightly less, but ALL weighed about 4 pounds each.

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