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 on: May 19, 2018, 04:37:24 PM 
Started by Icecoolmister - Last post by AKA23
Wow. Good for your brother-in-law. He sounds like a true fan. I can do that with many of the conversations in "In the Line of Fire," which is my favorite Eastwood film, but I can definitely not recite the whole movie from memory. That is truly impressive.

 on: May 19, 2018, 04:36:05 PM 
Started by TomTurner - Last post by AKA23
I always love it when new members bring thought-provoking ideas to the board. Great, and very original post, Tom. Keep on thinking outside the box. 

 on: May 19, 2018, 04:33:44 PM 
Started by Macpherson - Last post by AKA23
I notice that the logline which is provided that describes the film states that Eastwood will be playing Earl Stone and not, as thought before, Leo Sharp. So although this film may be based on Sharp's experiences, it sounds like this may be heavily fictionalized, which may give them more creative freedom and allow for this to feel more like an original rather than an entirely fact-based story.

 on: May 19, 2018, 04:08:38 PM 
Started by Americanbeauty - Last post by Jed Cooper
A couple more from outside Dad’s cabin in Naples, Maine recently, April 27.  I took more but only wanted to include the best. 

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 on: May 19, 2018, 10:33:05 AM 
Started by Gant - Last post by AKA23
Clint is very good at the roles he chooses to do, but his roles with few exceptions are similar characters. He's the rugged, dry humored tough guy who often fights against an injustice that is brought upon a weaker person or populance. He's not usually a white-collar professional, and hasn't done the lawyer or doctor roles. He's never an out-and-out bad guy -- Will Munny would be closest to that, but he's still the likable, rugged, dry humored tough guy there, fighting against an injustice.... (see above). He's done comedies, but I think with the exception of Bronco Billy that they're his weakest films and performaces.  I think there's some truth to this opinion, because there is such a thing as a Clint Eastwood type character. 

So, let me get this straight, Matt, part of your strategy to convince this person that they were wrong and that Clint Eastwood is a better actor than they think is to agree with their statement. Boy, how I wish I had you as my opponent when I was doing my speech and debate tournaments years ago!

These are all great choices. I think I'd probably choose "Honkytonk Man," "The Bridges of Madison County," and "Million Dollar Baby." "In the Line of Fire" is a great choice as well, but I think it's a little too similar to some of Eastwood's other tough guy roles, and in choosing movies, I'd want to highlight characters that demonstrate that he has a more varied range and diversity of characters than is commonly believed.

I also probably wouldn't choose "White Hunter, Black Heart," since a lot of people felt that his performance was kind of a caricature in that film. If they see the three movies that I recommended, and they still think that he is a mediocre actor, there's no hope left for them!

As for Gant's comment on "True Crime," I think in most respects, he's a great fit for the character, so I don't think he was miscast, but I probably would have gotten rid of the womanizing subplot. I agree that he was much too old to be convincing as a womanizer and it didn't really add that much to the film. He still would have been a great character without that. The central story of a down on his luck reporter who risks everything to save an innocent man from near certain death was more than enough for the movie! 


 on: May 19, 2018, 09:05:33 AM 
Started by TomTurner - Last post by KC
Hi, TomTurner, and welcome to the Board!

This is a thoughtful post. Personally, I don't think Josey could have had any idea, after hearing Grandma Sarah talk, that he had killed her son, specifically, among the many other deaths he was responsible for. How would he have known what he looked like? For the same reason, Grandma couldn't have suspected him, specifically, among the many other "Missouri ruffians" her son had done battle with, of being her son's killer. She had never seen him before. But they certainly each understood that this was a possibility, and that is what makes their relationship so tense in the beginning, and their mutual reconciliation and the "new harmonious life" they embark on with the rest of the makeshift family so moving.

From that post you referenced in the "Film Discussion Thread" for The Outlaw Josey Wales

Further along in the movie, we note that Grandma Sarah has a change of heart when she prays aloud:

    GRANDMA SARAH: Lord, thanks a lot for bringing us to this place. Pa and Daniel died at the hands of that low-down, murdering trash out of hell that done 'em in. But they put up a good fight, and died the best they could. And thanks a lot for Josey Wales, who you changed from a murdering bushwhacker on the side of Satan to a better man in time to deliver us from the Philistines. And thank you, Lord, for getting us together in Texas.

Grandma Sarah seems to think that Josey is the one who has changed, rather than herself. Discuss what you think finally precipitates her change of heart.

I think they both have changed. Especially in a civil war like this, where atrocities were committed by both sides, each believing firmly that their cause was the just one and the other side deserved what it got, it would be hard not to see those on the opposite side as entirely evil. But when the war is over, and the scarred human beings have to live with one another, they have to find a way to change themselves, and recognize that others may have changed as well. Of course there were die-hards who would never allow their prejudices to soften even a little bit, and if their whole family has been slaughtered, we can understand that. But we feel more for those who are able to overcome their past and live with hope towards a better future.

In the movie, the final shot is a freeze frame. Josey is badly wounded, but he has killed his archenemy Terrill (who he does know was responsible for killing his wife and son at the beginning) and is free for the moment of further pursuit by the vengeful Union troops, thanks to the support of the saloon patrons and Fletcher. Now we see Josey riding off, not into the sunset as in Western cliché, but into the sunrise. But to what destination? Here is another question posed in that long-ago "Film Discussion Thread":

At the end of the movie, Josey, wounded, leaves the scene of his showdown with Terrill and his tacit reconciliation with Fletcher, and starts to ride off into the sunrise. He is caught in a freeze frame, and the final credits come up. What happens next? Do you think Josey is going back to his surrogate family, or is he going off by himself, as he had intended to do earlier that morning? Do you think he will survive, or will he die of his wounds? If he lives, will he attempt to start a new a life with Laura Lee and the others? Why or why not?

The best answer we got in that thread (or the one I agreed with most, anyway), was from mgk:

In my opinion, Josey rides off toward the ranch where everyone is waiting for him.  He has reluctantly gathered up this new family of his but he's very grateful to have them around.  He hopes that now that the Texas Rangers think that he is dead and Fletcher has given him a new opportunity to get rid of his "hunted man" image, he is ready to settle down again and make something of him life similar to the way it was when he lost his first family at the beginning of the movie.

But don't forget the last line spoken in the move, "I reckon we all died a little in that damned war."

 on: May 19, 2018, 08:16:44 AM 
Started by Macpherson - Last post by KC
Since this is now all "official," I've changed the thread title to "Production Information and News." We'll post all updates here until the time comes when the reviews start coming in, and then we'll start a new thread for that. :)

 on: May 19, 2018, 05:28:36 AM 
Started by Macpherson - Last post by Gant
All great news :)

 on: May 18, 2018, 06:55:01 PM 
Started by TomTurner - Last post by TomTurner
This movie hardly lacks irony, but an intriguing possibility has occurred to me, which can you will see below.  But first, the evidence:

When Grandma Sarah Turner meets Josey Wales in the film, she is not very fond of him, or the entire state of Missouri for that matter.  She tells a shopkeeper:

"Anything from Missouri has a taint about it...Never heard of nice things from Missouri coming West"

And later, after being rescued from the Comancheros she tells Lone Watie "This Mr. Wales is a cold-blooded killer. He's from Missouri where they're all known to be killers of innocent men, women and children."

When they arrive in Santa Rio, where her late son's ranch was located, in the Saloon she tells Rose that her son "was killed in the Border War by Missouri ruffians. He died a proud member of Senator Jim Lane's Redlegs, fighting for the just cause!"

They camera then cuts to Josey, who has an especially pained look on his face.

The movie is in no way clear about this but I think it is entirely plausible that Josey Wales is responsible for the death of her son Tom.  It's my guess that he was one of the soldiers in the redleg division that he gunned down with the Gatling gun.

Later in the movie when Grandma Sarah says grace before a meal she says "And thanks a lot for Josey Wales, who you changed from a murdering bushwhacker on the side of Satan to a better man in time to deliver us from the Philistines."

Has Grandma figured out by this point that Josey, her savior, is the very same person who killed her son? Or is she just referring to his checkered past?  Impossible to say.

It would be just Clint Eastwood to set up this incredible scenario whereby he kills someone in the redleg division, one that that killed his entire family, then goes on to save this person's family from being killed by bandits, then helping them set up and defend their homestead from the same army division, creating a extended multicultural family and a new harmonious life for themselves.  Its a complicated, conflicted yet redemptive conclusion to this incredible saga.

Am I crazy or does anyone else see this connection?   

Many thanks to Global Moderator Matt for his post where I found the specific quotes was looking for:

 on: May 18, 2018, 06:12:59 PM 
Started by Icecoolmister - Last post by TomTurner
Last Christmas day this show was on TV and my brother-in-law and my 2 nephews watched the entire film.  I was pleased to discover he is a fan of the movie.

I have seen this move more times than I can count, and I'm able to quote what I thought was an impressive number of the more memorable lines in the film along with the actors.

However, my brother-in-law, who is a bodybuilder and not well known for his mental facilities, absolutely shocked me by reciting EVERY SINGLE word in the movie!  Even tiny little incidental things like someone saying hello, he nailed, to the word.

It was an impressive display.  I have never seen anything like it.

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