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« on: March 13, 2005, 04:37:01 PM »

     There is a supposedly authentic, signed Space Cowboys script for sale on EBay.  Bidding starts today.
  The item # is 7500607157....Blu

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18833&item=7500607157&rd=1
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2005, 08:02:15 PM »

Hey there Blu :).

read my screenplay authenticity question in the off topic forum.

I want to know how you tell these are authentic and not just photocopies :-\.

Any help greatfully recieved.

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2005, 09:00:38 PM »

  ...I wouldn't have a clue on that WKC....  How about carbon dating ??

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2005, 09:11:09 PM »

It only works for the carbon copies!   
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2005, 09:14:06 PM »


I am not very sure about this in any way being original.


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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 09:30:03 PM »

MOST of the scripts available from dealers and on eBay are photocopies, but then ... most scripts used in production, at least in recent decades, are photocopies, also. A script actually used in production will often have colored pages with changes inserted; most after-the-fact copies are all white paper.A stiff paper cover (usually colored) with the studio's name and "Property of" on it might be an indication; most copies offered for sale are just the bare pages with metal fasteners holding the pages together.

Other than that, it could be hard to tell. 

Autograph experts ... how about those signatures on the  Space Cowboys script?  ???
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2005, 09:58:21 PM »



Well I'm no expert but the Eastwood one does look (if it is the real thing) rushed.


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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2005, 06:20:05 AM »

That's not Clint's autograph.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2005, 08:31:51 AM »

The Tommy Lee Jones and the James Garner signatures look as if the same person wrote them and the Clint Eastwood is NEVER Clint's signature. :o
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2005, 09:11:10 AM »

Doesn't look like his signature ...  ???

His name is Clint, right ?

It looks like he signed "Ci" instead of 'Clint"  :o
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2005, 09:48:25 AM »

He often signs "Cl" (or that's all you can read of it) instead of "Clint."
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2005, 10:02:06 AM »


Well here are the same people with Clint's latest.




Auction here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18833&item=3879394054&rd=1


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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2005, 10:12:24 AM »

     You know, I was recently thinking about how hard it is to really verify the authenticity of an autograph with absolute certainty.  I happen to have a signed photo of  S.F. 49er's great Joe Montana from before he began starting in the NFL.  I happen to know that it's genuine because I saw him sign it in person (interestingly, hardly anyone was around him at the time --he was a nobody in the league then).

     But I wondering how I could prove that it's genuine if I ever, God forbid, wanted to sell it.  The only thing I could think of is that it really seems like it would be of help to have an exact time recording or stamp at the moment of signing, along with a record of the location of the signing, and perhaps even a record of the identity of the recipient -- on file with the signer's agent or something.  It seems like it would be fairly hard to forge and sell a fake autograph with this kind of verification backup.  This assumes of course, that the agent doesn't sell the verificatoin backup info for profit behind the signer's back, or that the information isn't, in some way, stolen, etc....  

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 10:39:46 AM »

He often signs "Cl" (or that's all you can read of it) instead od "Clint."
Yeah I had noticed that before, but ... I don't know this one seemed ... different ... like Philo said this one does look rushed  ???

Anyway how can you tell for sure ?
Every autograph looks so different on eBay ... how can we be sure which one is a real one ?

That's why to verify the authenticity of an autograph, I think sellers should provide the winning bidder with a photo of the actors signing the script/pic (whenever it's possible) and informations on the time when it was signed and the location where it was signed ...

To me this COA really doesn't mean a thing ... it doesn't prove anything.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2005, 11:00:33 AM »

   Yes, and come to think of it, even info on the actual signing doesn't really help because once the exact information is known by the purchaser, he/she can then proceed to use this information to make and sell forgeries....Blu
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2005, 11:39:45 AM »


As some people know I was very lucky to have met the man and have something signed. I had a camera with me on the night but got so swept up in the moments that I forgot to get a picture. So as Blu says even though I was there, even though it was signed to me (at Clint's suggestion). I don't have any more proof than my word and the word of the person with me.

Unless I hit hard times I would not sell the item but it is a fair point of proving just what you may be offering for sale.


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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2005, 08:27:08 AM »

My advice would be NEVER by an autograph from e-bay
and I mean NEVER  .
                                  Even the ones that come with a so called certificate of authenticity are usually fake . I have a friend in the corporate legal world who has closed down coultless sellers on e-bay for this very reason .
Most go unnoticed and only ever get into trouble if someone complains . Even then they just trade as someone else . I have many autographs ( including Clints ) which have all been obtained by myself . I see them as momentos of a special time , not as a money making excercise .
Believe me , if you want the look of an autograph by a preprinted copy ............. at least you'll know what your getting .
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