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« on: February 04, 2003, 01:55:41 PM »

I can't recall.  Somebody please remind me.  What was that really awful scene that had Van Peebles (spelling?) singing a song at a bar?  There was something really stupid about it.  Was it that he didn't have a microphone?  Or was it that there was a band playing but no band present?  I can't remember what it was.  Does somebody remember?  That was one of Clint's best performances, but probably some of his laziest directing.  I was surprised by how bad the scene was, especially given Clint's respect for live musical performances.  
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2003, 03:16:06 PM »

I remember that scene.

That was so awful. In my opinion it hurt the movie.

He didnt have a mic, yet he was mic'ed, the band wasnt mic, yet they were... oh God it was bad.

Your right, Im surprised Clint didnt care about that. It was bad.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2003, 05:44:49 AM »

Van Peebles' "performance" is the main reason I don't watch HEARTBREAK RIDGE more than once or twice a year.

I always start out like, "Gee, this isn't bad at all. What was I thinking?"

And then once Van Peebles starts getting screen time, it all goes downhill. The singing scene is particularly pitiful.

It bothers me too that Clint could have fixed this and evidently thought it wouldn't hurt the movie.  


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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2003, 07:46:44 AM »

Maybe clint wanted it to be bad due to the fact that afterward Van Peebles gets screwed with by some big rednecks.  Maybe it was to make you think of how bad van peebles character is at singing or beiing in the band.  "You know man, The Iotola Of Rock'N'rola!
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2003, 10:12:25 AM »

The problem isn't so much that van peebles is a bad performer.  the problem is that he's performing without a mic or a band.  It ruins any form or realism, and looks straight out of the worst tv movie making.

Maybe clint wanted it to be bad due to the fact that afterward Van Peebles gets screwed with by some big rednecks.  Maybe it was to make you think of how bad van peebles character is at singing or beiing in the band.  "You know man, The Iotola Of Rock'N'rola!
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2003, 10:32:46 AM »

thats the "ayatollah" of rock-n-rolla,
it's little wonder the iranians don't like you guys ;)

didn't clint remark about the bandage he(mario van peebles) wore on his ear out-performing him.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2003, 05:31:02 PM »

  i was surprised how this movie out-performed other movies in the c.e. survivor, and how many people liked it. i thought it was a really cheesy 80's flick because of the story and mario van pukle's performance. it's only redeeming quality to me was the fact that clint was in it. i just watched it again the other day and realized i still feel the same as when i first watched it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2003, 04:00:43 AM »

I think Heartbreak Ridge has two things going for it.
The humor and Clints central performance.

As for it's box office success at the time. Well, here was a Clint film that promised and deliverd a certain amount of violence. Always a winner with the fans.
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2003, 08:40:12 PM »

i believe heartbreak ridge was quite a contemporary movie of its time. it did quite well here in india ,back in 86-87.pebbles character was funny,i am sure these kind of people you find almost in all walks of life. clint as usuall was fit and looked tough.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2003, 07:10:26 PM »

I don't remember any that. I know I saw the movie but I don't remember. Can anybody refresh my memory :-\
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2003, 09:39:36 PM »



One thing I always said in the past is that it is a good 20 mins too long

Get rid of Van Peebles footage ...... movie fixed .



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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2003, 12:38:02 AM »

You know what I love Heartbreak Ridge...EXCEPT FOR THOSE PERFORMANCE PARTS!! Dead on whoever started this thread Mario VP is such a cheeseball hack actor and the musical stuff(even though I didnt think about him bein not miked till now) was atrocious. I am a guitar palyer and he wasnt even plugged into an amp!! Nor did Mario Van tAlentless even bother to resemble anything close to someone who knew two shakes about playing guitar...watch his fingers ...he is lame....good thread nice points but come on Heartbreak Ridge is a fine film..I was very excited that it finally came out on DVD......
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2003, 05:06:38 AM »

I thought the film was pretty cool, so did most of my friends. Non stop 1 liners and Clint was on top form as an ass kicker. Agree totally with the VP verdict though, the only scene he was any good in was the one where Clint ripped out his earring. He was perfect at screaming! New oscar category perhaps????
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2003, 07:21:15 AM »

I don't remember any that. I know I saw the movie but I don't remember. Can anybody refresh my memory :-\
clint- marine gunnery sergeant, given no hope bunch of recon marines, has @#!hole C.O., despite this he commands the gang well in the granada conflict and wins his ex-wife back, van peeblles plays a jackass, smartmouth, in love with himself-marine
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2003, 05:33:27 PM »

Yes, I realize that Van peebles was bad in the movie (Could a guy like that ever exist in the marines?  I think not).  But I can't help having a genuine feeling of patriotism when I watch that movie.  Clint is quite the believable marine, even flawed as he is.  Maybe the movies plays differently for Americans than it does for others as it is a truly American movie.  
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2005, 07:15:59 PM »

I'm resurrecting this old thread rather than starting a new one...

Fiddling around on the web looking for Heartbreak Ridge stuff, I came across an interesting mention of Eastwood's involvement with the Korean War Veterans Memorial in Washington D.C.  I didn't know about it before, and no search of the forum pulled it up, so I decided to post.

As has been mentioned elsewhere on the board, the U.S. Army and later the Marine Corps decided not to support the movie Heartbreak Ridge.  There was also discontent among Army veterans of the Korean War, some of whom were upset that the film portrayed a Marine winning the Congressional Medal of Honor at "Heartbreak Ridge", when in reality it was a battle fought mainly by Army infantry. 

On the Korean War Project site I found an interesting account by Hal Barker, son of a Korean War veteran (as it happens, a Marine), of the beginnings of the Memorial Fund, and how the memorial came to be.  (Read in full HERE.)

The gist of the Clint connection:
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One evening, I received a call from a Korean Vet who said Clint Eastwood was filming a movie called Heartbreak Ridge.

I was excited the story of Heartbreak Ridge would be told by someone like Eastwood.

Then I discovered the story line placed Eastwood as a Marine who wins the Medal of Honor at Heartbreak Ridge.

I wrote a letter to Eastwood informing him that only one Marine was on the ground at Heartbreak, and certainly no Marines were involved in ground combat there.

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My father was furious that Eastwood would attempt to change history. Other veterans of the 23d Infantry began to challenge Eastwood.

I was at work one Friday afternoon when my brother said I had a telephone call.

I picked up the phone. It took almost a minute before I realized it was Clint Eastwood.

He explained to me about his use of the title Heartbreak Ridge. He said it was a business decision, a great title, and that he had been told that Marines were at Heartbreak Ridge.

We went round and round, and I asked him to change the title of the film. He said this would be impossible, it was in the can, and the advertising was already finished. Done deal.

I told him the veterans would not be happy. He said that didn't bother him, he was used to people not being happy with him. And he said the story line was actually about a Marine during the Grenada Invasion timeline, and really had nothing to do with theKorean War at all.

In order to keep him talking and perhaps make him think about his decision, I told him about Senator Wallop and the Korean War Memorial. I asked if he might help with that problem.

He suggested sending a message to Senator Wallop. Clint then asked if it would help if he talked to President Reagan. He explained that he talked to him all the time. We ended the conversation on that note.

The following Monday, Clint called again.

He said that he had listened to me, and had spent the weekend going through the script. He offered to reshoot a scene in the film for my friends from the 23rd Infantry. He would refer to his character as a veteran of the 23rd winning the Medal of Honor on Heartbreak. He asked me what he should say in the scene.

However bad the film was to become, and it was bad, he kept his word to me. He reshot the scene.

A few days later, Clint's secretary would send me a copy of the telegram to Senator Wallop, and a note that Clint would talk to the President on my behalf.

For whatever reason, only days later the bill passed out of the Wallop Committee, and was signed into law on October 28, 1996.

The scene that was changed must be that in which Choozoo tells Stitch Jones about his and Highway's time in Korea, while looking at old photos in the bar.  He slips in,
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We were with the 23rd Infantry.  We joined the Corps later.
I noticed that for the first time while watching last night, and it seemed clear that it must be an attempt to retain some historical accuracy.

Hal Barker includes with his account scans of some communications with Clint.

Clint's telegram to Senator Wallop:




The covering note:




An earlier letter from Eastwood to Barker:




There is also a scan of some contemporary newspaper cuttings about Eastwood, which I won't post because it's too wide for poor folks with low screen resolution, but it's HERE.


The Korean War Veterans Memorial in Washington D.C. is near the Lincoln Memorial, opposite the Vietnam War Veterans Memorial.  Its official site is here: http://www.nps.gov/kowa  or see its Wikipedia entry for photos.

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2005, 07:50:13 PM »

Lilly, thanks for posting that. I knew that the script, in the finished film, contains that moment where Choozoo "explains" how a couple of long-time Marines could have served at Heartbreak Ridge, but I never knew that Eastwood had actually reshot the scene to work it in.

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2005, 08:03:34 PM »

I never knew that Eastwood had actually reshot the scene to work it in.

Of course that is only Hal Barker's account, until we see another source.  Maybe it's possible that what he calls reshooting was actually a late script change before shooting?

I don't know if that would fit with the time scale - the telegram being dated 7th August.  Does anyone know when in 1986 the film was released, or when shooting finished?  (IMDb says that the Dept. of Defense had a preview in November.)
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2005, 08:14:45 PM »

I just watched that scene again, and the relevant words are heard while the camera is on the old black and white photo of Gunny and Choozoo in Korea.  So, it's not impossible that it could have been added after shooting was done, just re-recording Choozoo's voice and doing some nifty editing.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2005, 08:20:23 PM »

Great post Lilly...  Thanks!!
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