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« Reply #140 on: January 19, 2012, 04:10:10 PM »

Another couple of great episodes from season 4. The Pitchwagon guest starring Buddy Ebsen and Jack Elam. The girls will love seeing Rowdy up on stage singing. The screaming girls in the audience was more like the 1960's not the 1880's though. :D

In the following episode Hostage Child, James Coburn and Debra Paget guest star and doesn't Coburn play a nasty character in this. An Indian hating Colonel who's in for the shock of his life regarding his wife.
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« Reply #141 on: January 19, 2012, 07:59:29 PM »

I'm about half way through season 4 and there have been 3 or 4 episodes where Rowdy doesn't appear at all.  His whereabouts aren't mentioned in the episodes either.  I don't think he's ever missing in back to back episodes, but I suppose they weren't necessarily aired in the order they were filmed.  I wonder if he was doing another project that took him away for a few episodes?

As I continue to watch season 4, Clint is absent in about every other episode.  What was going on?

As I continue season 4, Gil Favor is spread a little thin in several episodes too; he is totally absent in a few.  Pete left the drive too and was replaced by another guy.  Perhaps all this is why the ratings started dropping in this season. 

There was definitely something strange going on through season 4. Around the time Sheb Wooley left there were episodes with either Clint or Eric Fleming missing completely. They seemed to alternate. The first episode that Charles Gray replaced Sheb, he was the whole show and he seemed to have a lot more screen time than Sheb ever had in the next few episodes as well.
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« Reply #142 on: January 20, 2012, 08:06:41 PM »

Missing episode?

According to IMDB these are the last two season 4 episodes of the series:

Season 4, Episode 29: The Devil and the Deep Blue
Original Air Date—11 May 1962
 
Season 4, Episode 30: Abilene
Original Air Date—18 May 1962


The last one is not included.
Hoped to find it at the season 5 package, but it wasn't there either.

Anybody?
 

Found it!!!

It's the last episode in Season 5 on the DVD. Haven't watched it yet, just starting to watch the last disc.

I'm totally confused here and you know it doesn't take much to confuse me, but why is the last episode of season 4 at the end of season 5 on the DVD's. Doesn't that throw out the whole sequence of events?

Also on the Rawhide Years link on this site where the episodes are listed, the Abilene episode is replaced with Incident of El Toro which according to epguides.com is from season 6!!

What the heck? ???

So should I watch the Abilene episode straight after watching the Devil and the deep blue sea episode?
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« Reply #143 on: January 20, 2012, 11:04:22 PM »

 I think script wise, there has only been a few episodes where events from a previous episode have been mentioned by the characters in the next episode. Gil Favor seeing his daughters in one episode comes to mind. I think Wishbone says something about that in the next episode or the one after.

I kinda got use to the fact that things change with not much explanation from time to time.

For example in M*A*S*H, Harry Morgan played a loopy General in The General Flipped at Dawn in Season 3 as General Steele then later he is Colonel Potter. ???
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« Reply #144 on: January 20, 2012, 11:10:00 PM »

But do you think it was a production error with the DVD's? Because in the episode The Devil and the deep blue they are about to arrive in Abilene so the next episode is when they do, I assume?
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« Reply #145 on: January 20, 2012, 11:12:29 PM »

Who knows?  :-\ Do we trust IMBd?
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« Reply #146 on: January 20, 2012, 11:25:55 PM »

Who knows?  :-\ Do we trust IMBd?

Well epguides.com has the Abilene episode as the final ep for season 4 too.

Maybe antonis can check that book of his?
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« Reply #147 on: January 21, 2012, 10:56:46 AM »

Abilene is the last episode of season 4.
I suppose they misplaced it at the season 5 DVDs.
According to the book (and IMDB I suppose) it originally aired on May 18, 1962.
Season 5 ends with Incident at Alkali Sink ( May 24,1963).


 
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« Reply #148 on: January 21, 2012, 12:37:26 PM »

It's official then. Abilene is the final ep of season 4.

Thanks antonis. O0
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« Reply #149 on: January 21, 2012, 05:44:54 PM »

OK, I've watched Abeline, now the first four episodes of Season 5 should be:

Incident of the Hunter
Incident of the Portrait
Incident at Cactus Wells
Incident of the Prodigal Son


But again the region 4 DVD's have been screwed up and we have:

Incident of the Portrait
Incident of El Toro
Incident of the Hunter
Incident at Cactus Wells

Incident of El Toro is the episode I spoke of yesterday that is from Season 6. I'm starting to wonder if the people putting together the episodes took the list from this site?
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« Reply #150 on: January 22, 2012, 12:22:21 AM »

Quote from: Lin. on May 06, 2011, 02:35:28 AM
A new month and a new book budget. 

I ordered the Rawhide book by David R Greenland, today.   


Received it yesterday and already read it.
It also explains why the "INCIDENT OF EL TORO" which originally aired during the 6th season is included at season 5 DVD package


According to the book Incident of El Toro is a leftover episode from either season 4 or 5 ,copyright 1962, with old opening  and Charles Gray as Clay Forrester in the cast.
I suppose the episodes are put together by some kind of chronological order and not by the dates they originally aired.
Apart from that you won't find a similar problem at your region 4 DVDs during season 6 at least ( I own the rest of the series but haven't seen them yet).
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« Reply #151 on: January 22, 2012, 12:51:26 AM »

Thanks antonis. O0
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« Reply #152 on: January 28, 2012, 12:16:16 PM »

I saw Barbara Eden and Dick York in a 6th season episode called "Incident at Confidence Creek."  I guess it was a "I Dream of Jeannie" and "Bewitched" team-up.  Barbara even did a harum type dance and wore a costume that resembled her Jeannie outfit.  Rowdy was a little more hard-nosed in this episode.
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« Reply #153 on: February 04, 2012, 02:28:25 PM »

I watched Incident at the smokehouse om TCM today. Pretty good.
Harry Dean Stanton in. Small role. Wot season was this..?

I'm slightly guessing on the title..
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« Reply #154 on: February 04, 2012, 02:41:29 PM »

Incident at the Buffalo Smokehouse, Season 2 Episode 7. It's good when you recognise a lot of the actors in the series.
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« Reply #155 on: February 04, 2012, 02:48:03 PM »

Quite an early one then. Very little Eastwood but enjoyable all the same.
Considering how long Eastwood and Fleming worked together we hear very little of their relationship.
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« Reply #156 on: February 04, 2012, 02:52:50 PM »

Considering how long Eastwood and Fleming worked together we hear very little of their relationship.

Yeah, maybe KC can shed some light on that point.
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« Reply #157 on: February 04, 2012, 05:50:38 PM »

Schickel doesn't say much about the relationship between Clint and Fleming, but he does spend a couple of pages (p. 113-115) talking about how difficult Fleming was to get along with in general, calling him "an altogether prickly character," "cranky [and] self-destructive," bringing to the series "the bitterness accumulated over many frustrating years in the business."

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He was, to be sure, handicapped by the aftereffects of an accident. Working in a foundry during his Seabees days, he had attempted to lift a two-hundred-pound steel counterweight and had dropped it on his face. This led to plastic surgery and doubtless contributed to his perpetually frozen expression. This he tried to distract from by overacting vocally. He was "a hamola" in Ted Post's characterization, someone "you had to cork a lot."

So this isolated man, alternately withdrawn and blustery, never established himself ... as a source of warmth and strength with viewers. On-screen he seemed, somehow, to be pasted into this landscape instead of being an organic part of it. Off-screen he became, in effect, the black hole at the center of this little universe, something everyone—especially the writers—had to navigate around.

Fleming did have his strengths: an air of command (mostly a function of his booming baritone) and—a gift Clint envied—his ability to memorize a page of dialogue at a glance and rattle it off without hesitation.

Clint Eastwood, p. 114
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« Reply #158 on: February 04, 2012, 07:31:08 PM »

Thanks for that KC. He certainly got more "cranky" as the Rawhide series went on.
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« Reply #159 on: February 05, 2012, 12:52:41 AM »

I wonder what he woulda make of Eastwoods later success. I find him quite watchable in Rawhide.
I was just curious, considering how many years they worked together how well they got on..
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