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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2014, 01:04:17 PM »

Gant, it sounds like your view tracked pretty closely with mine, but since I didn't see the stage show, and you were a big fan of it, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts more in depth. Where did things go wrong? What do you feel was done well in the stage show that wasn't done well in the film, and why? In your opinion, do you feel like Eastwood just wasn't the right director for this material, or does the responsibility for the poor transfer lie elsewhere?
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2014, 12:01:07 AM »

First off.... I certainly didn't think Jersey Boys was a bad film, I certainly enjoyed parts of it and thought some of the performances were quite good, especially Walkern... It's Been a couple of weeks now and I kinda feel like maybe seeing it again...
For me tho  it just didn't quite gel.... The guy who played the lead as Valli was ok, could obviously sing and looked right, but somehow just didn't set the movie alight for me. He just didn't manage to capture Frankie Vallis charisma ..
When this project was first announced I was excited because knowing the story I thought Eastwood would really bring out the grittiness of the crime element... and on that aspect of the story he does quite well... The problem for me is that, when stripped of a lot of the music the story that's left is actually a bit flimsy... What worked in the stage show was the bombardment of killer songs, one after the other.... Without that it all seems a little flat and lacking verve... As I mentioned previously... Valli's music  can be cinematic, anyone who's seen The Wanderers can testify to that... In that film the music really comes alive in a very gritty little film in a way that here it just doesn't...
To be fair...I can't really see how the film could be that much improved, I don't feel it could have been done much better by another director, maybe that's why the script had  hung around so long before being picked up....
I really felt that in this film the music was kinda secondary whereas in the stage show it was front and centre with the story linking the songs... I'm not a massive fan of musicals but somehow it really worked on stage in a way that it didn't on screen....
A lot have reviews have remarked how good the period detail in the film is... but another criticism from me is that everything looked a little too shiny and new... I often feel that way about period films... Again, look to The Wanderers to see how it should look....
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2014, 01:31:06 PM »

First off.... I certainly didn't think Jersey Boys was a bad film, I certainly enjoyed parts of it and thought some of the performances were quite good, especially Walkern... It's Been a couple of weeks now and I kinda feel like maybe seeing it again...
For me tho  it just didn't quite gel.... The guy who played the lead as Valli was ok, could obviously sing and looked right, but somehow just didn't set the movie alight for me. He just didn't manage to capture Frankie Vallis charisma ..
When this project was first announced I was excited because knowing the story I thought Eastwood would really bring out the grittiness of the crime element... and on that aspect of the story he does quite well... The problem for me is that, when stripped of a lot of the music the story that's left is actually a bit flimsy... What worked in the stage show was the bombardment of killer songs, one after the other.... Without that it all seems a little flat and lacking verve... As I mentioned previously... Valli's music  can be cinematic, anyone who's seen The Wanderers can testify to that... In that film the music really comes alive in a very gritty little film in a way that here it just doesn't...
To be fair...I can't really see how the film could be that much improved, I don't feel it could have been done much better by another director, maybe that's why the script had  hung around so long before being picked up....
I really felt that in this film the music was kinda secondary whereas in the stage show it was front and centre with the story linking the songs... I'm not a massive fan of musicals but somehow it really worked on stage in a way that it didn't on screen....
A lot have reviews have remarked how good the period detail in the film is... but another criticism from me is that everything looked a little too shiny and new... I often feel that way about period films... Again, look to The Wanderers to see how it should look....

I would agree that "Jersey Boys" is not a bad film. Eastwood is too good a director to make a film that is bad at this point in his career. At the same time, I don't think it was a very entertaining film either. It sounds like for you the decision to place the songs in the background rather than front and center hurt the final product. I would agree with that assessment. At the same time though, like with much of Eastwood's recent work, I think the flaws in this film lie mostly with the script. It simply wasn't structured well or ready to be filmed in my opinion. To me, this was also the case with "Invictus," "Hereafter," "J. Edgar," and "Trouble with the Curve." It seems like with more work on the script a lot of these structural problems could have been resolved. This begs the question, since this has been a problem that many have observed in Eastwood's recent work, why does Eastwood continue to persist in going ahead with projects when the script for those projects is weak?
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2014, 01:13:18 PM »

The one saving grace is the end sequence which I thought was great... and reminded me a lot of the stageshow...
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2014, 02:31:46 PM »



 I'm under the impression anyone who saw the original play doesnt care for Eastwood's film......
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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2014, 12:22:28 AM »


 I'm under the impression anyone who saw the original play doesnt care for Eastwood's film......

I liked both.
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2014, 04:03:13 PM »

What worked in the stage show was the bombardment of killer songs, one after the other.... Without that it all seems a little flat and lacking verve... As I mentioned previously... Valli's music  can be cinematic, anyone who's seen The Wanderers can testify to that... In that film the music really comes alive in a very gritty little film in a way that here it just doesn't...

I really felt that in this film the music was kinda secondary whereas in the stage show it was front and centre with the story linking the songs... I'm not a massive fan of musicals but somehow it really worked on stage in a way that it didn't on screen....
A lot have reviews have remarked how good the period detail in the film is... but another criticism from me is that everything looked a little too shiny and new... I often feel that way about period films... Again, look to The Wanderers to see how it should look....

Well said, The Wanderers shows that Rock n Roll ( through Dion , The Seasons and Smokey Robinson) was integral to young peoples lives in that time period, it was a constant in their existance and couldn't be marginalised.
I also agree with the "shiny" period films, according to some filmakers cars didn't collect dust before 1966!!
Again as you said, The Wanderers (1979) did it better, watch it for a masterclass in that kind of cinematic storytelling.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2014, 06:35:47 PM »


The Wanderers...One of the best movies of 1979. Great flick. Own it on DVD.
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2014, 10:01:29 AM »

Well it seems Jersey Boys is going to be the first Eastwood-film that`s going straight to DVD in Finland.Obviously it makes sense since it wasn`t huge hit at the states (or was it?) and not that many people even know about Frankie Valli and the guys in Finland.Still it`s a shame but I´ll try to catch it when the DVD is out  :(
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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2014, 11:17:12 AM »

Well it seems Jersey Boys is going to be the first Eastwood-film that`s going straight to DVD in Finland.:(

Having the same problem here,with the Greek distributor.I emailed them, plus a number of critics, a few times to complain (well the last time I wasn't that polite) but..... I saw the film today.
It was a pleasant surprise.Very well made,as expected of course, nice rhythm and a fresh visual style from Mr Eastwood.There were no half lighted faces this time to distract me :P
Will watch it again soon enough.
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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2024, 12:10:16 PM »

I was browsing the selections on Max recently and came across Jersey Boys, and I was surprised to see that it's been nearly 10 years since this movie came out! :o I never bought a copy of the movie, so maybe I'll watch it again while I have Max.
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2024, 02:26:17 PM »

I was browsing the selections on Max recently and came across Jersey Boys, and I was surprised to see that it's been nearly 10 years since this movie came out! :o I never bought a copy of the movie, so maybe I'll watch it again while I have Max.

It was 10 years ago today that my wife and I saw Jersey Boys on Broadway.  8) 8) 8)
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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2024, 11:48:38 AM »

It was 10 years ago today that my wife and I saw Jersey Boys on Broadway.  8) 8) 8)
That's cool!
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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2024, 05:59:21 PM »

It was 10 years ago today that my wife and I saw Jersey Boys on Broadway.  8) 8) 8)

Did the play help you to appreciate the film?
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2024, 12:25:48 AM »

The play was fun but I found the film too shiny, flat and boring..
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2024, 06:49:31 AM »

The play was fun but I found the film too shiny, flat and boring..

I haven't seen the play, but I do agree on the movie. If the reason he did "Jersey Boys" is because he was committed to doing a musical, I think "A Star is Born" would have been a much better musical for Clint to direct. I did very much enjoy Bradley Cooper's version, but I think "A Star is Born" both from a story and thematic perspective and from a musical perspective would have been a better fit for Clint Eastwood. "Jersey Boys" came across as being made by someone who didn't love the music, which Clint himself admitted in interviews, that the style of music that "The Four Seasons" did was something he wasn't a huge fan of at the time. In my opinion, it showed that the didn't have a passion for it. The music was not front and center in the film, and the story just wasn't compelling without the added benefit of the music being prominently featured. The internal issues the band had and the drug issues and family dysfunctions that were depicted have been seen many other times before in better films. Additionally, although they had the singing talent, having the stage actors do the film wasn't a great choice because none of them had the screen presence that would really have made the film shine.

Interestingly, Frankie Vallie has spoken in interviews about how he hated the way the music was done in the film, and that he actually "fixed" the musical arrangements himself and submitted them to Clint. He said Clint refused to use his version. He also has spoken about how he didn't like the movie. I assume this story is true, as it would be an odd thing for him to make up, and there isn't a benefit to him doing so, and I wonder why Clint wouldn't take the advice of the originator of the music when making the movie.
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2024, 11:37:21 AM »

Actually, according to Robert Lorenz, Clint made some pictures which were not passion projects but kept him busy. Among those pictures, Robert Lorenz quoted Blood Work and Jersey Boys. Some film critics thought that Jersey Boys would have been a better fit for Martin Scorsese, since it is about some Italian American guys which were linked to the mob. Even Joe Pesci was in the story.

I agree with you, AKA23: Clint wanted to make a musical. He was a little frustrated that A Star Is Born did not come to fruition when he was involved in. Then, he decided to make Jersey Boys instead.

I enjoyed the film, although it is not among his best, because I found it quite refreshing, after some serious dramas like J. Edgar, Hereafter or Invictus. I have seen the play in the West End area of London, England, nearly one year after the film was released. I enjoyed the play which was joyfuller than the film. I noticed that one particular song which I like was missing in the film: that song is Beggin. Actually, the song scene was shot but not included in the final cut. Frankie Valli and Tommy DeVito were not particularly happy with the film. Tommy DeVito was pissed off by the way he was depicted in the film.

In my opinion, among all the biopics Clint has made, Bird is the best one. And that was really a passion project for Clint.
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2024, 04:19:33 PM »

Beggin, one of my fave Valli tunes..
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2024, 04:38:46 PM »

Did the play help you to appreciate the film?

Yeah, I think it did.  :)
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« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2024, 05:02:02 PM »

Some film critics thought that Jersey Boys would have been a better fit for Martin Scorsese, since it is about some Italian American guys which were linked to the mob. Even Joe Pesci was in the story.
That would have been interesting. I enjoyed Jersey Boys when I saw it years ago, but a Scorsese version would have been fun, I think.
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