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Title: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 05, 2017, 02:12:36 AM
This is the place to post about Seven Samurai (1954) and the remake The Magnificent Seven (1960)  Tell us what you think of the films as you watch them, or wait until after Week 6 to do a comparison. Which do you like better? Strengths, weaknesses, or just talk about anything you want.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on January 05, 2017, 08:12:47 AM
I just requested Seven Samurai from my library. It took about two minutes to place the request. It should be delivered to my location, which also happens to be my workplace (other end of the building). We'll see how well this works!
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Christopher on January 05, 2017, 11:36:08 AM
And I would guess that it'd be alright to throw in the 2016 film into the discussion if you wanted without adding in an extra week. I know some here have seen it (myself included) and it is on Blu-Ray/DVD now.

I just requested Seven Samurai from my library. It took about two minutes to place the request. It should be delivered to my location, which also happens to be my workplace (other end of the building). We'll see how well this works!
You can request an item to be delivered to another part of the library? I'd love to visit that library.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on January 05, 2017, 08:31:14 PM
You can request an item to be delivered to another part of the library? I'd love to visit that library.

Well, it will come from one of the New York Public Library's 88 branch locations in Manhattan, the Bronx and Staten Island. But it will be delivered to the main research location, where I work, which is mostly non-circulating but does have a Children's Room, where the materials circulate. At least, that's how I think it's supposed to work.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Christopher on January 05, 2017, 10:03:51 PM
Oh, within branches... that makes sense.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on January 05, 2017, 10:07:02 PM
Though, when I want a book from the underground stacks in the research library, I just fill out a slip and take it to the nice people in the next office ... and presto, in a half hour or so, it's delivered to me.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on January 05, 2017, 11:18:23 PM
And I would guess that it'd be alright to throw in the 2016 film into the discussion if you wanted without adding in an extra week. I know some here have seen it (myself included) and it is on Blu-Ray/DVD now.

Sure, we can squeeze in another -- for anyone who wants to.

I had hoped to watch Seven Samurai tonight, but I ran out of time.  I'm going out of town for two weeks, so I won't be able to participate in this theme on time, but I'll circle back around and watch them and comment later.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on January 06, 2017, 01:25:33 AM
Bon voyage, Matt! :)
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Elizabeth77 on January 09, 2017, 06:35:32 PM
I started Seven Samurai last night and got about 30 minutes into it before having to give up for the night. I am thoroughly enjoying it. One of the things I find enjoyable is the soundtrack, or lack of one. I think it's just cool to experience it like it's happening, without music to sway your emotions. That said, I love the score for The Magnificent Seven.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on January 11, 2017, 08:11:21 AM
My library came through with Seven Samurai yesterday ... delivered practically to my door, only five days after I requested it. (To be fair, I probably could have gone across the street and picked up a copy right away.) I've got seven days to watch it ... One Samurai per day, I guess.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Elizabeth77 on January 11, 2017, 11:09:06 AM
I've got seven days to watch it ... One Samurai per day, I guess.

 ;D ;D What are you going to do? Split screen?
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on January 22, 2017, 11:34:02 PM
How's everyone doing with these two films? I've just gotten to the halfway point of Seven Samurai, and I am really enjoying it! I guess all us Clint fans are feeling a bit of inspiration for High Plains Drifter when watching this?

Until watching it tonight, I thought I had seen it before, but definitely not. I'd only seen Kurosawa's Yojimbo and Rashomon previously. I probably wouldn't have ever gotten around to it without this Movie Club, so good call Christopher!  O0

I hadn't realized how long this movie was... man! Is everyone watching the Criterion 207 minute version?
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 22, 2017, 11:39:31 PM
I've slipped behind. I'll try and catch up this week. May have to split up viewing times to stay on track. :(
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on January 23, 2017, 08:02:46 AM
Seven Samurai is loooooooooong! :o

I finally started watching last night. I've already renewed it once (borrowed from the library). Not sure I can renew a second time, but I don't see how I'm going to finish it before Tuesday, when it's due.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Christopher on January 23, 2017, 02:29:25 PM
I own a DVD of Seven Samurai, but haven't rewatched it yet. It is very long, but I've seen it at least twice. There's not a lot of movies that long that I'd watch multiple times.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on January 23, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
I stayed up until 3am to finish it. I really did enjoy it, but I'm not sure I'd rate it as high as it is on the IMDb, which is an 8.7!  I think it was more influential to other great movies, than THAT great on its own. I would say it could be trimmed down a bit without losing its excellence.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on January 24, 2017, 12:31:38 AM
I'm about halfway through The Magnificent Seven, and breaking for the night.  It's not as intriguing as Seven Samurai, and I'm really tired of the music already. So far, it feels like any other pre-Clint western -- staged, and unthreatening.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on January 26, 2017, 01:52:46 AM
I finished The Magnificent Seven, and feel like the only really enjoyable part of the film was Eli Wallach. He's the only character that comes off as authentic to me, but even better - it was like finding lost footage of Tuco all those years later. He's almost the same character, if not more ruthless. He looks, dresses and acts the same, and he's pure gold. I have a hard time enjoying pre-Clint westerns. There's such a difference with lighting that looks too bright, clothes that look too clean and crisp, actors that look non-threatening and sets that look like sets. And aside from Eli Wallach, The Magnificent Seven has problems with all of that, plus add in a bombastic theme that plays throughout. Sorry to all the fans of this film, but it's not for me.

So, between Seven Samurai and The Magnificent Seven, the Samurai win by about five samurai.

This was a bonus week, so I put on The Magnificent Seven (2016) tonight. I'm only halfway through, but need to stop for the night. I knew within a few minutes this would be my favorite of the three.  Denzel Washington's entrance was completely Eastwoodesque, and how cool to see Clint's legend live on more than 50 years after he and Leone turned the Western genre around and made it cool, and dangerous, and thrilling. Almost shot for shot, you almost expect to see a young Clint when they finally show his face... and it sets up the film perfectly for a kickass western. Chris Pratt adds a great amount of relaxed humor, a gunslinger who lives life on the edge every minute. There's energy in every frame, and the lighting, wardrobe, etc. is all as good as I expect after years of watching Eastwood westerns.

I'm going to finish this one tomorrow, but recommend anyone try to get this bonus in this week if you can find the time. Really fun film!
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: The Schofield Kid on January 26, 2017, 03:52:33 AM
I thought 2 hours and 50 minutes for Scarface was a trial. This at 3 hours and 26 minutes was worse. I'm afraid I'm not a fan of Seven Samurai. It may be considered a classic and influenced many film makers to come but I just could not get into it. I had to split my viewing time for this too as I was starting to watch the clock after about 30 minutes.

I agree with E77, about the soundtrack, or the very minor use of it. Although when it was used it did come across as too much. Especially the flute in some scenes.

Not a film I'll be seeing again.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on January 26, 2017, 11:03:12 PM
I finished The Magnificent Seven (2016) tonight, and man, it was awesome. Westerns have gotten so good, and they don't release too many of them these days, so it's a rare treat when we get another great one to add to the list of great modern Westerns, and this one is now on mine.

I wonder if Clint was approached to be one of the seven. He really could have done it. They were a mismatched gang of misfits, and one of them was older, played by Vincent D'Onofrio, and although the part may have needed to be rewritten if it was Clint's role, he could have done it. I'd love to see him in another western, but he doesn't have to hold the whole film - he could be a strong cast member. Even though Chris Pratt and Denzel Washington had the meatiest roles, all the parts were very good, and strong, well-written characters.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Elizabeth77 on January 29, 2017, 07:48:08 PM
I got sidetracked by three days of radiation to the brain. Excitement sets off seizures, so I thought movie watching might be out for a bit. Also, screen time causes headaches. They are better, so will get them watched soon. Seven Samurai is awfully long, though. They all are.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: The Schofield Kid on February 04, 2017, 02:52:03 AM
The 1960 version didn't seem to be as interesting as I remember. I actually found the trivia page at imdb more interesting than the movie. Watching Steve McQueen do little things in his scenes with Yul Brynner to take the spotlight away from him.

Anyone else notice the editor for this film was Ferris Webster? He worked with Eastwood from the early 70's - 1980's as editor on many Eastwood films.

Overall, these two films were quite a challenge to sit through. I'll enjoy the next challenge more I'm sure.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on February 04, 2017, 03:33:22 AM
Yeah, I agree -- difficult, but educational. These are classics, so it's good to be acquainted with them, but I don't think I'll watch either again.

SK, have you seen the newest The Magnificent Seven yet?


Anyone else notice the editor for this film was Ferris Webster? He worked with Eastwood from the early 70's - 1980's as editor on many Eastwood films.

Good eye! I missed that!

Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: The Schofield Kid on February 04, 2017, 03:50:17 AM
SK, have you seen the newest The Magnificent Seven yet?


No not yet.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on February 04, 2017, 09:47:05 AM
I've renewed Seven Samurai three times. Still got more than an hour to slog through. :(
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on February 04, 2017, 10:59:16 AM
Meanwhile, the gossip hounds at the NYPL have started talking about how KC in the rare books section has a thing for samurai. She can't stop watching Seven Samurai. She's renewed it THREE TIMES! ;)
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on February 04, 2017, 12:51:10 PM
Fortunately, it's all handled by the bots. ;)
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on February 04, 2017, 12:52:42 PM
Oh! that explains the shortage of robot-sized samurai costumes in NYC!
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on February 09, 2017, 11:21:20 PM
I finally finished Seven Samurai! The snow day (off from work) helped ... I finally had an evening when I wasn't too tired to sit through more than about ten minutes without falling asleep.

I liked the last half hour ... quite a lot, in fact. It made me almost want to go back and watch the whole thing again and pick up on all the parts I missed, either because I was too sleepy or because they just went by before I could grasp the significance. Almost, I said!

Meanwhile, I renewed if four times and I'm finally going to return it tomorrow (it's due for the fifth time on Monday).

Visually, it was a tremendously striking film, and the actors who played the samurai were great, even if I thought Mifune (the only one I recognized) was a bit over the top. But he was supposed to be a peasant trying to be a samurai, so it was natural that his behavior was such a contrast to the stoic reserve of the others. I'm sorry, but I found the peasants a tiresome, whining lot. Couldn't work up much sympathy for them, though they were brave enough in the final battle.

Trying to decide whether to go on with The Magnificent Seven. I can rent that one from Amazon, which would at least force me to watch it in a hurry (you only get 48 hours from when you start watching). Or, I could order it from the library again and keep it out another five weeks or so!
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: KC on February 19, 2017, 08:42:45 PM
I did go ahead and get The Magnificent Seven (original version) from the library and I've watched about a half hour so far. I really enjoyed seeing old Tuco again! Have to agree with Matt:

I finished The Magnificent Seven, and feel like the only really enjoyable part of the film was Eli Wallach. He's the only character that comes off as authentic to me, but even better - it was like finding lost footage of Tuco all those years later. He's almost the same character, if not more ruthless. He looks, dresses and acts the same, and he's pure gold.

One big difference between this film and Seven Samurai is that in the latter, the bandits were more or less anonymous. Having an adorable Method actor (even if he's acting really, really mean) as the lead bandit makes the whole dynamic quite a bit different.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on February 19, 2017, 10:15:50 PM
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Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Elizabeth77 on February 24, 2017, 04:26:11 PM
I finished Seven Samurai today. It definitely picked up after the intermission. I was rather humored that every culture seems to require a fool to provide comic relief (even if he isn't a fool). Some scenes were much darker in this than in the Magnificent Seven because they deal with culturally sensitive things like honor and different tiers of a society that are much more rigid than ours.

I really enjoyed this. I found it interesting that it was much more acceptable for the men to weep openly. In such a tightly structured society maybe that is a good thing and provides a release.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Elizabeth77 on February 26, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
I'm on a roll! Actually I'm bored to death sitting in my recliner, so The Magnificent Seven was a wonderful diversion. I've always enjoyed this film because there is a degree of character development provided. At least enough to give the imagination room to run. It also introduced me to a number of actors who were new to me and I got to explore many new films as a result.

Eli is wonderful, as always.  Yul Brynner, Charles Bronson and James Coburn play my favorite characters. Looking at that list, there is something they all have in common - they don't talk too much.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on February 26, 2017, 08:03:07 PM
Elizabeth, it sounds like you enjoyed both of the films. Which would you say you preferred?
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Elizabeth77 on February 27, 2017, 07:22:05 AM
That's an awful question to ask. While being so similar, they are so very different. I am more likely to watch The Magnificent Seven more often because it's shorter and I love it as a western, but I think Seven Samurai is my favorite. Like some other favorites of mine, it should be indulged in sparingly.
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: Matt on February 27, 2017, 11:13:03 AM
Great answer.

The Manchurian Candidate is a great one, if you haven't seen that one before, it's time. :)
Title: Re: Seven Samurai (1954) vs The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Post by: The Schofield Kid on March 28, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
I caught up with the 2016 version on our flight to Hawaii.

Overall I enjoyed it, probably would enjoy it even more on a screen wider than 7 inches or what ever they are on the back of the seat. Peter Sarsgaard played the baddie well. Whenever I want to see a character get gunned down so bad, it's a sign of a good performance for me.

Vincent D'Onofrio was my favourite of the seven.