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BCM, your point about tolerance should probably be further explained if you're going to say that's what it takes to avoid war. Hitler wasn't a very tolerant man. War resulted because of this.Sorry, but I don't see where this contradicts my statement
He's from Missouri, where they're all known to be killers of innocent men, women and childrenShe also has a distorted perception of her own "side", shown when she says:
He was killed in the border war by ruffians. He died a proud member of senator Jim Lane's Redlegs, fighting for the just causewhich to Josey must have sounded like an insult.
Grandma says it's our home. It is all of ours.Later, to demonstrate that the tolerance and acceptance is lived, not only talked about is that nice little scene:
Grandma to LW: You know, we're sure going to show them redskins something tomorrow. No offence meant.The tolerance even reaches outside that little community to the Comanches, to Ten Bear
LW: None taken
Governements don't live together, people live together...I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life. And I'm saying men can live together without butchering one anotherShort summary: if everyone were that tolerant, there would be no war!
All that a fellow has to do is ride into that union camp... then he can take up his horse again and go home...Josey (to me) looks desperate, lost, incredibly sad at the mention of "home", and then incredule at the "good luck" (good luck for what?). He's got no home anymore, afterall! Later:
(later)
F: There's no way you're gonna get away
J: I reckon that's true
F: Good luck Josey
Kid: You can't get them all, JoseyAnd, again, in the scene with Ten Bear
J: That's a fact
K:Why are you doing this then?
J: Cause I've got nothing better to do
TB: You may go in peaceAnd same scene, later the sentence that wraps it all up:
J: I've got nowhere to go
...when all you have ever cared about has been butchered or raped.The only time Josey shows a sign of relief after an act of violence is after he kills cpt Terrill. He looks like he's shaking off that nightmare he's been living. So, IMO, this shows that all the rest of the killing was not revenge, and didn't help Josey overcome the losing of his family either. The only death that mattered to him was this one. Josey became a killer of many, but this didn't solve his problem. Violence creates more violence, but doesn't bring peace on a tortured mind. Instead humanity and true honest feelings are lost:
I guess we all died a little in that damn war
Mr. C. to Lone Watie: You're an indian, aren't you? Can you speak any english?...It's the very best thing for those who can't handle their liquor (laughs)White man judging a person because of predjudices (he probably can't speak english, he drinks, and he'll be stupid enough to buy it...). The indian who has learned the hard way not to trust too lightly asks the only right question!
Lone Watie: What's in it?
Some of the more humorous moments of the film are those that feature Josey's tobacco spitti
I didn't surrender either. But they took my horse and made him surrender. They have him pulling a wagon up in Kansas, I'll bet.It does sound funny when you hear it, and it makes you smile. But he actually says something very sad, when you think about it.
French are not as simple as that !
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Probably because it's in SwitzerlandYep, true. Sorry, I hadn't even known. The last I knew was that it was in London. Maybe now I'll travel to Basel to go in that "Don't miss a second". Or, some say it has been called "Loo with a view"
It's a Swiss toilet.Why is it called "Swiss"? Because noone can look in, but inside you can see the outside-world? Or because you need a Swiss bank-account to afford that much stainless steel? Or because it's clean?
The movie technically ends, then there's more stuff tacked on and I don't see why the movie had to go on as long as it did.That's the exact remark my husband made too. He hasn't read the book(s), and I guess you haven't either. The book firsters tend to view this differently. There is a whole chapter (the scouring of the Shire) that is missing, which makes the end too short
. And frankly, I really like the Grey havens scene being "real-time", not "movie-time". I can see why people not that fond of the hobbits and Gandalf could get bored. But believe me, I think that after 9 hours (12, if you watch the Extended editions), it's barely long enough to say good-bye
) is the death of Boromir in The Fellowship of the Ring. Not only is it a magical scene to watch (sad and beautiful at the same time), but his death carries so many messages. With the manner of his death he influences the decisions of those that were there, which again will influence their choices later on. I think this is the only death scene (in a movie I've seen) that I can watch over and over again, understanding new meanings everytime.
Not favorite or happiest but heaviest at least:This is a guote from D'Amb in the Favorite quote thread. And I will try to explain you my difficulty with drama vs comedy with that quote. If you interpret the quote the way I do, it shows you a very frustrated, sad view of the army (as D'Amb points out, it's heavy). If you understand it that way, it has nothing to do with comedy, and then I agree that the movie is drama pure. As I pointed out somewhere else, I found most of that language sad. But, as Matt and mgk pointed out, it is meant as comedy, and I apparently understand it all wrong (not just this sentence, but most of them can be understood and interpreted both ways). So, the irony in this is, that I was the one seeing drama and sadness in the film, and I was explained that it is comedy. I agree that the death of Profile isn't funny. But I don't think it's sad either. Did you feel sad because of his death? I didn't, and I assure you I'm the first one to cry at anything very, truly sad. But I don't think the audience feels any real sympathy to Profile, so the audience doesn't grief his death either.
I'll make life takers and heartbreakers out of them sir..."
Heartbreak Ridge is trying to be both a drama and a comedy at the same time, but in the end, it seems that just about all of the comedy comes from the portrayal of the "pathetic" Marines.Honestly, it never occurred to me that a film coming out of the entertainment industry could be understood as a documentary! If I want to know how the US marines really are, I guess I need a mix between the "all-positive" publicity image and the "all-negative" news coverage. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
continuous or PERIODIC impaired control over drinkingA grown up man who gets so drunk he ends up in prison, and continues to do that is, IMVHO, an alcoholic. The fact that he's surrounded by people who drink a lot too does not change that. And the fact that he doesn't drink in Grenada does not proove he's not alcoholic either. It only prooves he has not PTSD, which I have understood before my last post too. I don't think Highway feels uncomfortable, or has a "problem" with war(the reason I thought he had PTSD was his social incompetence and coldness). So, there is actually no reason for him to drink during a military invasion, is there? But I guess the definition of alcoholism is debatable, so I won't discuss much more about this, since we'll never agree.
Maybe all that means is that Little Mary and her husband had a great marriage in spite of the Marines. Maybe Little Mary's husband was a good Marine but not a "gung-ho" Marine like Gunny. Maybe Little Mary was a more patient woman than Aggie. Maybe Little Mary is remembering only the good times because her husband is dead. There are a lot of unknown factors here.Yes, true. And maybe Highway volunteered too many times (volunteered!), maybe he fooled around with whores too much, maybe he didn't show his love to Aggie enough.... I fully agree with the unknown factors here!
You are also a lot dumber than I thoughtSo, I interpreted this as Gunny realizing that the marines are not everything on earth, and that because of the marines he's missed a whole life. I suppose you (mgk and Matt) look at it as a proof that Gunny feels indeed as a father figure to Stitch, and hides his pride behind this joke. So, really, I guess we are just as in real life, here. Both of you like Gunny Highway, and interpret and understand him in a positive way. Whereas I think Gunny has a very low emotional competence, and thus see proof for this in a lot of lines. There is no use in trying to persuade anyone of ones point of view, because that's simply a matter of taste and interpretation. There are too many unknowns, and none of us knows if all these lines were really meant as jokes, or if they had some truth in them.
). My husband likes it better than I do, because he knows what the soldiers are going through, but as a woman I find it more difficult to enjoy boy-games such as fights in mud-holes and such. Alcoholism is a primary, chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial, and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by continuous or periodic: impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, most notably denial."http://www.ncadd.org/facts/defalc.html
And, he has a long-term relationship with Little Mary and even chose to stay in her back room. He could have gotten a place somewhere else. He has a twenty year or more history of a good relationship with his friend, Sgt. Maj. Choozoo, that he is obviously planning to try and keep. He acts as a father figure to this rowdy bunch of recons and even goes as far as loaning money to Aponte who is desperately trying to support his family with a second job because the Marines don't pay him enough. Gunny understands that; he's sympathetic to that. This man, Gunny, is a strong leader, a demanding commanding officer, but he cares about other people a great deal and goes out of his way to help them.Your quote shows how you understand Highway. I understand him differently. I don't see him as a father figure, he just wants to do his job right. And this means, to get as least soldiers killed as possible. You don't need to have a relationship with them, you don't need to care, it could also be just his work, and the fact that the better they are, the greater are his own chances too. The same thing applies to him lending money to Aponte. He doesn't seemed very pleased holding a baby in his arms, does he? He lends the money so that Aponte can train, so that... (see above).
Don't you know how to write or call?A relationship implies some kind of contact, otherwise it's closer to a memory than to a relationship.
Mary: If you want a lot from a woman, you have to give a lotThis puts a doubt wether the main problem of Aggie and Tom was really the marine. I think that he uses that as an excuse. Apparently, he didn't write Aggie either, during his wars (She had no way of knowing where he was and what he was doing, other than to watch the news!).
Gunny: Not this kid. Seemed like marriage and marinecorps weren't too compatible
Mary: Pantherpiss. The best years of my life were with a marine
He knows the answer. He knows that the answer to her question is a resounding "Yes" and THAT is why he is there to see her.So you think that the fact he has nowhere else to go, noone else he knows well enough, will be a fertile beginning of a love relationship? I'm sorry, I cannot believe that such a feeling will ever ever be enough. For a friendship yes, for a love, no. In the movie 28 days the alcoholics are reminded to first take care of a plant for a year. Then take a dog. If both are still alive after two years, they are emotionally mature enough to think about love. Personally, I would offer Highway a nice little plant
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