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« on: October 17, 2015, 02:42:15 AM »

I read that some new evidence has surfaced that might indicate the two brothers John and Clarence Aglin might have actually made it. There is a photo of the two brothers from 1975 in Brazil. The photo has been analyzed by specialist and they said it is likely them in the photo. And there are Christmas cards sent by them to there mother yrs after they escaped and the specialist said that it is there hand writing. Investigators are looking into all of this. If the two brothers are still alive they would be in there mid 80s. And they said a friend named Fred Brizzi helped them out. I've always believed they drowned and didn't make it. Too many obstacles to overcome. Like distance, currents, cold water, Sharks, etc. Now they never did find any bodies. But I feel like the only way they could have made it is if that Brizzi guy picked them up in a boat or something like that. They had to have some help if they made it. If they did have help like that then I feel like they may have made it. The show myth busters examined this several yes ago and they determined that it is plausible that they could have made it. I guess anything is possible. I found all of this very interesting and am looking forward to hearing updates on this new evidence.
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2015, 04:22:16 AM »

Rawhide7, you should post a link for news like this, like this one:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Does-this-photo-prove-the-most-famous-Alcatraz-6568415.php

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A new photo has surfaced that allegedly proves Alcatraz inmates John and Clarence Anglin didn't die during their infamous 1962 escape and actually survived--but the lone official investigator still assigned to this case isn't convinced.

"I can't say yes or no on it," U.S. Marshal Michael Dyke,  based in Oakland, said in an interview. "I've seen the picture. I'm doing analysis on the photo as we speak and having the FBI look at it. The important thing is to not draw any conclusions as it hasn't been vetted through regular investigative channels."

... Now relatives of the escapees who supposedly dodged FBI probes are stepping forward with their family secrets for the first time. The Anglin brothers' nephews Ken Widner, 54 and David Widner, 48, have handed over to authorities the image that allegedly shows John and Clarence living in Brazil in 1975.


[Many more photos at the link above]

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... The fate of these three men and their makeshift vessel has long been questioned. A myriad conflicting theories have surfaced over the years, and the 1979 Hollywood film "Escape from Alcatraz," chronicling their story, starring Clint Eastwood, only added to the speculation.

Also, there was a show on the History Channel reporting this story, here:

http://www.history.com/shows/alcatraz-search-for-the-truth

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Alcatraz: Search for the Truth (87 min) tv-14

In 1962 John Anglin, Clarence Anglin, and Frank Morris broke out of the toughest penitentiary America had ever conceived--Alcatraz. Presumed dead, their bodies were never found. Now, more than 50 years later, the family of the Anglin brothers is coming forward for the first time with new evidence and secrets that could crack open this iconic cold case. We'll follow the family as they work alongside a retired lawman who has been obsessed with this case for decades. Together they will go further than anyone has ever been able to go before...to solve the "Riddle of the Rock" once and for all.
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2015, 09:04:59 AM »

We discussed the "MythBusters" program some years ago, as part of of our organized discussion on Escape from Alcatraz. Those posts start here:

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?topic=3594.msg57409#msg57409
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2015, 01:09:23 AM »

Anybody find this new evidence to be pretty interesting?  I tend to still think they didn't make it. But then again you just really never know for sure. According to myth busters there was a chance they could have made it. And they've done test that prove that they possibly could have made it. Granted everything had to fall into place. Like leaving at the right time. And the water temps were 54 degrees which studies show you could last approximately 1 to 6 hrs before hypothermia sets in. Which it's possible they didn't get hypothermia  plus the fact someone possibly could have helped them and picked them up or like the other theory states they latched onto a ferry boat which both would lessen there time in the water. And they never found there bodies. plud add in this picture and the Christmas cards. And I know that the picture could be phony as well as the Christmas cards. But experts did state that is likely them in the pic and its there signature on the Christmas card. So knowing all of this I feel like it is possible they actually made it. Anyways hopefully more info will come out in this.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2018, 11:43:15 AM »

Letter Allegedly Written By 1962 Alcatraz Island Escapee Surfaces




A letter, allegedly written by John Anglin, claims the three escapees (himself, his brother Clarence, and Frank Morris) survived the escape. In the letter, Anglin states he is willing to turn himself over to authorities in exchange for expensive cancer treatments.  The letter originally was sent to the San Francisco Police in 2013, but has only now received media attention. 

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According to the letter, Frank died in 2008 and John’s brother died three years later. The writer makes a deal – “If you announce on TV that I will be promised to first go to jail for no more than a year and get medical attention, I will write back to let you know exactly where I am. This is no joke…”

The U.S. Marshals, which is the sole agency investigating the case today, says the FBI lab examined the letter for fingerprints and DNA, and the handwriting.

The FBI’s results were inconclusive.

“So that means yes, and it means no, so this leaves everything in limbo,” said Harp.


https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/01/22/letter-allegedly-written-alcatraz-island-escapee-surfaces/
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2018, 07:32:46 PM »

Interesting. I wonder why they waited so long to make this public?

There's a follow-up story on the same site with a quote from John Anglin's nephew, David Widner:

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“We believe that they did make it off the island,” said Widner. “My grandmother did receive items in the mail, and of course the roses and the Christmas cards that come to her.”

He said John and Clarence’s signatures were on those items sent years after the escape.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/01/26/relative-escaped-alcatraz-inmates-talks-about-alleged-letter/
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2018, 06:11:50 AM »

It's cool that the myths and stories surrounding the escape still persist...
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2019, 06:04:06 PM »


I highly recommend a recent book ESCAPING ALCATRAZ by Michael Esslinger and David Widner.
I was a contributor to the chapter on the film.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2019, 08:09:03 PM »

This is pretty interesting. So, do we actually have confirmation now that they did make it, or do you all think this is an urban legend?
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2019, 08:23:16 PM »

I think they made it, but what's weird to me about the letter is that John Anglin seemed to know where Frank Morris spent the rest of his life and when he died. I wouldn't expect that they would keep in touch. But, what's interesting to me in the link I posted is this quote from a retired FBI agent (who didn't work on the case):

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“As a law enforcement person I’d like to think that their escape attempt was not fruitful for them. Personally, as someone who swims in the bay, and we have a triathlon that goes on every year, and there’s not a single person that doesn’t make that swim,” he added.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2019, 08:37:22 PM »

If they drowned why have the FBI been pursuing them since 1962.

'Nuff said.
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2019, 08:40:55 PM »

Clarence Anglin's girlfriend admitted to Don Dellilo that he made it.
See: RIDDLE OF THE ROCK aka ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ.
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