Pale Rider Pistol

[stephspecht]

what make and model was the gun clint used at the end when he shot John Russell in the movie Pale Rider???

[KC]

Hi, stephspecht, and welcome to the Eastwood Web Board. The large revolver carried by Preacher is  a Remington New Model Army ... a .44 cal. percussion revolver that was in production from 1863 to 1875. This is the gun that he reloads (after dispatching Stockburn's deputies) by replacing the cylinder, in order to fire six shots into Stockburn (Russell). He also carries a smaller revolver, which I've never been able to identify, and that is the gun with which he gives Stockburn the coup de grace, firing at his forehead.

[1858Rem]

Yes the fine '58 Remington(converted) and a modified 1858 Rem Pocket Revolver.





meant 1858 PR not 1849 PR

[D'Ambrosia]

Impressive Rem.... It looks like the "small" gun in the first pic is a Remington and the second pick is a '48 Colt Pocket Dragoon....(Josey's fourth gun, or does he have five? )

[1858Rem]

Impressive Rem.... It looks like the "small" gun in the first pic is a Remington and the second pick is a '48 Colt Pocket Dragoon....(Josey's fourth gun, or does he have five? )

Josey? He asked about Pale Rider. The first two pics I posted were the actual rig worn by Eastwood. The small pistol that Clint carried in Pale Rider was not a Baby Dragoon, which has a square trigger guard.

 The small pistol he carried was a modified 1858 Rem Pocket Pistol I posted in my first post.


When I first seen the movie I thought it was a 1849 Pocket Pistol .  It does not match if you compare the system under the barrel. That is the same system found on the large model just at a reduced size on the Pocket Pistol. Also look at the pistol grip area and the classic Remington top strap above the cylinder.

-1849 Pocket Pistol-


-1858- Rem Pocket Pistol


-Actual rig he wore-


Conclusion is a modified 1858 Rem Pocket Pistol.

[D'Ambrosia]

Rem, in your first post you there was another picture of a gun that is not there now, definitely not a Remington it was a Colt.  I was remarking about that gun.  You must have removed the pic.  

Rem, could the Preachers gun be a New Model Army ’63?  It’s been a while since I’ve seen the movie.  Maybe now is a good time to watch it again.


Not to stray off subject, but all of my sources say pocket pistols were '48 not '49...

Check out this thread Rem, maybe you have something to add...http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=864

[KC]

Right, there was definitely another picture in Rem's first post. I remember thinking that the first second one of the small guns pictured had to be a Colt because of the lack of a top strap. I guess Rem removed it so as to explain the situation better in another post, but it leaves D'Amb's post looking a bit confusing.

Rem, where did you get the picture of the "actual rig" worn by Eastwood in Pale Rider?  

[1858Rem]

My apologies, the pic in question was moved to my second post. Confusion with his main pistol comes from the fact 1858 is the date when  Remington secured the
patent from Beals. There were two versions seen by the Army.
1. 1860-1862 The old Army Model
2. 1863-1875 The New Army which made some improvements.

Ceckout these links.

http://www.mntnweb.com/hobby/gun/remington.htm

http://www.alliancelink.com/users/frontier/srrs/articles/evolution.htm

http://www.civilwarguns.com/0006.html

So you can see Remington settled on 1858 New Army as some confusion could be had, though not as confusing as keeping track of Confederate pistols and their copies.

Link to actual rig. (3/4 down the page.)
http://www.alliancelink.com/users/frontier/srrs/photos.htm

[1858Rem]

 

Not to stray off subject, but all of my sources say pocket pistols were '48 not '49...

Do you mean PP's in general? There are many versions of pocket pistols. Or are you refering to a specific pistol?

[D'Ambrosia]

I would define a pocket pistol as anything under eleven  inches in overall lenght.  (Don't go there...)  Well, spesificly American Firearm pocket pistols from 1836 to 1896  

Allen & Wheellock '45
Colt Baby Dragoon #1 '48
Colt Baby Dragoon #2 '50
Colt Baby Dragoon #3 '52
Colt Pocket Dragoon '48
Warner-Springfield '51
Sharps single shot '53
Pettengill Navy '56
Remington-Beals '58
Sharps Pepperbox '59
Smith and Wesson #2 Old Army '61 8 inch version (My favorite-It's the only true metallic cartridge fireing gun of it's day to see mass production)
Pond '63
Merwin & Bray '63
Copper '64
Smith and Wesson #1 1/5 '65\
Remington Deringer '66
Colt Cloverleaf '71
Wesson & Harrington '71
Marlin XXX '72
Any Colt Peacemaker under 10 inches
Merwin & hulber '75
Smith and Wesson Baby Russian '76
Colt Thunder and Lightning '77 (The first great doulbe action gun)
Colt Sheriff's '82
Stevens Single Shot Diamond #43 '86
Johnson Doulble Action '93

I'll have to do some more research...

[1858Rem]

Yea, the pocket pistols are great. The remakes Ive messed around with are fun to shot. I just gave my brass framed Remington New Army to a friend. I have a steel framed one on order along with a 1862 .36 Cal Army Police replica. Both will be contverted using the Kirst cylinder. The Remington converts to 45 Long Colt and the Army Police to .38 Colt