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Matt:
Charlie McCoy vehemently expresses his disgust with the system and the way the law protects criminals in this scene:


--- Quote ---McCOY: Ah, we should have put our twenty in the Marines. These days, a cop kills a hoodlum on the street, he might as well just dump the body someplace, because those snot-nosed young bastards down at the DA's office will crucify them one way or another. A hood can kill a cop, but let a cop kill a hood?! Am I right?!"

CALLAHAN: You've put in plenty of time. Why don't you....why don't you go for retirement. Hell, you don't need this.

McCOY: I know you ten years. I'm going to tell you something between you and me... I'll never retire! Never! I'm going out fighting. That's the only way to go. Am I right?
--- End quote ---

Do you think that McCoy was part of the vigilante gang of cops or at least aware of their activities, or do you think he was an honest cop who was just venting his frustrations with the system? What do you think the purposes of the McCoy character are in the film?

Brendan:
Well I figured he was there to try and divert your attention from the Cop Gang. Why else would he just go off on Harry?

If he was part of the group then why did Davis (I believe) kill him? If he was part of the group then Davis would have just said, "hey man let's get out of here."

I don't think and never thought McCoy was part of the group.  Briggs knew he was close to Harry, so why take the chance of Harry finding out earlier then he did?

Agent:
I've always felt the same way - that McCoy was never part of the group...but I'm not so sure now. I finally had some time to watch parts of it the other night, and something that has always caught my attention is whenever they show a closeup shot of the killer cops. One scene in particular is when one of them pulls over the pimp:




Now to me that face doesn't even remotely resemble any of the 4 young vigilantes (not to mention the voice). Also appears to be quite a bit older than any of them. I then thought of comparing it with a shot of Charlie McCoy himself and seeing if there was any possibility that it could be one and the same. Below is a shot of McCoy where he bumps into Callahan near the beginning of the movie and starts ranting off:




This is the same shot, but slightly rotated, cropped and then blown up to get a better comparison with the first pic above:




I then superimposed the shades from the pimp scene and placed them over McCoy's face as best as possible. To me the crooked nose is almost a perfect match, and they both show signs of grey on the sides:



Compare it with...




...I don't know about you, but I think that this might just be the real McCoy. 8)

But this raises more questions than answers. If McCoy was in fact part of Brigg's killers, why did Davis knock him off? Was he too much of a risk? Too close to Callahan? Was he scoring more kills than the other four put together? Perhaps he was another "sacrifice" (as Sweet was), for the 'cause?' I don't know. Another possibility is that the filmmakers used Mitch Ryan (McCoy) or someone else in the closeup shots as a diversion so the cop wouldn't be recognized by the audience. Who knows, maye it was Buddy Van Horn or even director Ted Post making a cameo.  ;D  In any case, I think if any of the 4 others (Soul, Matheson, Urich, Niven) were used, they could have been easily picked out right off the bat, even if part of the face was shown.

Another notch against McCoy is the scene near the start of the movie where we see him gearinp up to go on duty after watching the mob boss being acquitted on TV, with a framed portait of himself sitting next to the set. The normal assumption is that this scene was used to throw us off and was not connected in any way with the limousine massacre a few minutes later. Or was it?

I just think there are too many questions concerning the McCoy character, but personally I'm much more open to him now being one of the killers - whether he worked in tandem with the four or not.  

Brendan:
The nose looks the same. But like you said, the director could have used Mitch Ryan, maybe becuase the other guys weren't avaiblabe for that day of shooting?  ???

That's where it gets confusing.

mgk:
Excellent graphics, Agent!!! :D


--- Quote from: Agent on January 08, 2004, 09:56:32 AM ---Another notch against McCoy is the scene near the start of the movie where we see him gearinp up to go on duty after watching the mob boss being acquitted on TV, with a framed portait of himself sitting next to the set. The normal assumption is that this scene was used to throw us off and was not connected in any way with the limousine massacre a few minutes later. Or was it?

I just think there are too many questions concerning the McCoy character, but personally I'm much more open to him now being one of the killers - whether he worked in tandem with the four or not.  

--- End quote ---


When we were preparing the questions for this particular film, we were asking ourselves and each other all of these same questions.  Then, we even talked about it later among the three of us without completely solving the mystery.  So, glad you brought all of this up.

The thing about the cop putting his gear on at the beginning of the movie, with a picture of McCoy right there in front of him, is that we kept wondering whether McCoy would actually have a picture of himself in his own apartment?  If he were still with Carol, I could understand a picture being around.  But, when you think about it, how many men living alone would actually have a picture of themselves prominently displayed in their own apartment?  That part just doesn't make sense to me.

As for McCoy possibly being a member of the vigilante group, I can't help but wonder why Briggs and that group would want to include him.  He's very unstable and actually near a complete breakdown and I don't think they would risk having a "partner in crime" who was that unpredictable.  And, as Agent said, why would Davis kill him in that parking garage?  If McCoy was part of their group, wouldn't he have known about the killing that Davis just carried out?  If so, why kill McCoy?  Or, did these vigilantes only know about the particular criminal they were to kill or did all of them know each assignment?

The screen capture of the vigilante who kills the pimp certainly has a striking resemblance to McCoy.

I agree with you, Agent, when you say that the film makers tried to throw us off so we wouldn't figure out what was going on so early in the film.  So, we have to ask ourselves:  Did the film makers just do a really poor job or have we just not figured out what McCoy's role is in this film?

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