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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2004, 09:15:25 PM »

angeleyesTHE2nd, please stay on topic. You started this thread on the topic of whether Angel Eyes' death makes him appear weak. Since then, you have posted here about several completely different topics. If you want to post a picture and make a comment about something in The Outlaw Josey Wales, look to see if there is already a thread open about that, and start a new thread if you can't find one.

In fact, DAmbrosia has identified the gun Josey pulls out of the ruins as an 1861 Colt "Navy" model. You can read about it in these two threads:

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?action=display;board=8;threadid=137;start=0#msg2805

http://www.clinteastwood.org/forums/index.php?action=display;board=8;threadid=1274;start=0#msg18109

This is what the gun looks like as Josey pulls it from the ruins. It is quite different from the picture you posted.

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« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2004, 10:07:03 PM »

anyways lets be on topic....  :P  Wait let me get this straight when angel eyes faced tuco and blondie at the end he looked very nervous (as some of you quoted earlier). But anyways I felt bad for him i mean look the first time  clint shot him he fell but he coulda atleast try to take his revolver and shoot it before blondie could pull his trigger again. What do you people think?
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« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2004, 10:23:03 PM »

Angel Eyes should have been the most nervous of the three. After having had Tuco beaten within an inch of his life, he must have known that Tuco would kill him before Blondie. He also recognized Blondie's intelligence earlier and would know that Blondie would first take out who was the greater threat, which would be him. Angel Eyes knew these were very experienced gunfighters and that he wouldn't be able to shoot both of them before one of them could get a shot at him.

Anyway, I don't feel the least bit sorry for Angel Eyes. But, I've always felt a little bad for Lee Van Cleef. I felt his character had the least screen-time and least interesting role of the three. Seeing the uncut version, I realize there were a few additional scenes that would have given his character a little more of a balance with the other two, and I think at least one or two of those scenes should have been included in the regular cut of the film. But, I couldn't mention any scene that I'd rather they had cut, and they did have to shorten the length, so....  :-\
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« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2004, 10:32:13 PM »

OK, this is just my opinion and not the gospel truth. I think Angel Eyes didn't shoot back because he was to busy thinking the following:
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Damn, I've been shot. That really hurt. Is that my blood? Being shot really sux. Man, this is really messed up. How come I can't shoot back? Oh yeah, that's right, I'm too busy dying because of this hole in me where my life used to be. I guess it's time to get my wings. Man, being a killer wasn't all it was cracked up to be. It's getting dark. I'm scared. Damn, I'm really dying...
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« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2004, 09:52:28 AM »

i think your right tempest movies love to exaggerate death and make people stagger on and on and on after they have been shot
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« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2004, 02:55:08 PM »

Damn, I've been shot. That really hurt. Is that my blood? Being shot really sux. Man, this is really messed up. How come I can't shoot back? Oh yeah, that's right, I'm too busy dying because of this hole in me where my life used to be. I guess it's time to get my wings. Man, being a killer wasn't all it was cracked up to be. It's getting dark. I'm scared. Damn, I'm really dying...

MAN THAT'S A RIOT!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

That one'll keep me laughing for a while, thanks, Tempest!

Well, to add; I agree with those that don't see anything wrong with Angel Eyes' death scene.  He definitely didn't come across as a coward in any way, shape or form.  Not that Captain Kirk died a coward, but look at his death scene in Generations-what a sham! ("It was...fun...oh my."-horrendous!)

Damn, I've been shot. That really hurt. Is that my blood? Being shot really sux. Man, this is really messed up. How come I can't shoot back? Oh yeah, that's right, I'm too busy dying because of this hole in me where my life used to be. I guess it's time to get my wings. Man, being a killer wasn't all it was cracked up to be. It's getting dark. I'm scared. Damn, I'm really dying...

Sorry, had to post that again....aaaaaAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2004, 04:03:34 PM »

Angel Eyes should have been the most nervous of the three. After having had Tuco beaten within an inch of his life, he must have known that Tuco would kill him before Blondie. He also recognized Blondie's intelligence earlier and would know that Blondie would first take out who was the greater threat, which would be him. Angel Eyes knew these were very experienced gunfighters and that he wouldn't be able to shoot both of them before one of them could get a shot at him.

Anyway, I don't feel the least bit sorry for Angel Eyes. But, I've always felt a little bad for Lee Van Cleef. I felt his character had the least screen-time and least interesting role of the three. Seeing the uncut version, I realize there were a few additional scenes that would have given his character a little more of a balance with the other two, and I think at least one or two of those scenes should have been included in the regular cut of the film. But, I couldn't mention any scene that I'd rather they had cut, and they did have to shorten the length, so....  :-\
wait is the uncut version the collectors edition one?
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« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2004, 04:17:45 PM »

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wait is the uncut version the collectors edition one?
Yes, it is the Special Edition which recently came out. It comes with extra footage, a mini book, mini poster cards, and a bonus disc. Way cool set, got my copy earlier this week at Target for only $20. Definitely worth getting in my opinion.
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« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2004, 04:21:43 PM »

Way cool set, got my copy earlier this week at Target for only $20. Definitely worth getting in my opinion.

Ditto to that!  ;D
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« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2004, 05:28:52 PM »

so angel eyes has bigger role in the uncut! YESSSSSSSSSSSSS ;D
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« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2004, 04:32:14 PM »

Yes, it is the Special Edition which recently came out. It comes with extra footage, a mini book, mini poster cards, and a bonus disc. Way cool set, got my copy earlier this week at Target for only $20. Definitely worth getting in my opinion.

I did the same thing!
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« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2004, 12:06:24 PM »

Way cool Blondie2488. 8)

So what did you think of the extended version?

Personally I liked it, filled some gaps so to speak.
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« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2004, 02:59:41 PM »

It was great. I just wish that the voices were like the original.
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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2004, 03:27:48 PM »

It was great. I just wish that the voices were like the original.

I agree with you there Blondie2488, but in my opinion it is but a small price to pay for making a great film even greater. And with that said I have just become a full member. Thanks Blondie2488 :) 8)
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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2004, 05:17:10 PM »

Congrat's tempest, catching up with me  ;) ;D
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« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2004, 12:46:30 PM »

I'm still a Junior chump. ;D
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« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2004, 05:30:10 AM »

In 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly' there was a scene where Clint gave a dying Confederate Soldier a puff on his (Clint's) cheroot.  This particular act coincides with my comments on Clint as a character actor in the 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'.  Now whether that has any bearing on Angel Eyes is probably irrelevant but this site is about Clint ! Not his 'weaker' supporting actors !!  I do agree, however, that Angel Eyes didn't strike me as a 'strong' character in the film.
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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2004, 09:00:35 PM »

I really don't think Cleef's Character was intended to be really strong in the first place. I think he was supposed to be a sneaky, smart killer. Not a tough guy. He was put into a situation he couldn't avoid. So it's kind of obvious he would be nervous. His character is used to working on advantage; and he is now on the other end...and well I can imagine it'd be nerve racking. Especially with your life on the line.
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