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« Reply #120 on: May 22, 2009, 06:26:43 AM »

To make it sound ironic ."Devil Eyes" would have fitted him better  ;D

Sure, but why refer to his eyes at all, when the original character name doesn't?
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« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2009, 06:50:57 AM »

Sure, but why refer to his eyes at all, when the original character name doesn't?

Because his eyes are creepy? ^-^

kidding, maybe don't have a logical explanation to it, it's just an alias ???
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« Reply #122 on: June 29, 2009, 06:58:20 PM »

Reviving this thread, I like to think of these films as if they are campfire stories, when they are told they are about a mysterious cigar smoking poncho wearing con-man-gunfighter who may or may not be the same guy. Now in our minds eye as we hear the story he always looks the same.  Any way the following is by clues in the films some obvious some not the correct chronological order

The Good The Bad & The Ugly is however chronologically first, its set during the Civil War during Sibley's New Mexico Campaign 1862. Blondie, Tuco, & Angel Eyes use converted black powder revolvers, Colt Navy, Colt Army, and Remington's. Blondie is even shown using a Henry repeating rifle (actually a doctored Winchester to make it look like a Henry and carefully shot so that the side loading gate is hidden).

For a Few Dollars More is second and is set around the mid to late 1890's, if Blondie is supposed to be Manco he would be closer to 60 years old, one of the clues to the films time period are the thick newspaper binder that Mortimer looks through in El Paso. He finds a halftone image of Manco with an article about him killing the Marton Bros. in a town in Montana in 1873, the article is in the middle of the binder meaning the last page is the last issue if each issue of the paper only had 4-6 pages that's a lot of day's, years under the bridge.

One thing has been pointed out is that when Mortimer opens the safe in Agua Caliente the three bundles of bills in the center are Confederate bills, but the others with what looks like George Washington or a similar profile are not and still others beneath are too obscure to make out. This can be explained as the bank or a customer still holding on to them in the hopes of the "South rising again", hell even my wife's New Mexico grandmother had Confederate money that her Texas mother had held on too, lol.  Another fact is that also back then banks issued their own fanciful bank notes with their own designs.

The next clue is the fact that there are railroads in both Tucumcari and El Paso the Southern Pacific was through El Paso by the mid 1880's and the Rock Island didn't reach Tucumcari until mid to late 1890's and connected with the Southern Pacific in or near El Paso.

Mortimer is wearing a neck tie tied in the four-in-hand style. In 1880, the rowing club at Oxford University's Exeter College  men's club, invented the first school tie by removing their ribbon hat bands from their boater hats and tying them, four-in-hand. Give it a few years to cross the ocean and become established in the US. Finally Indio's Colt pistol (the one Groggy tosses him) has a gutta percha grip which weren't available on Colts until 1885.

A Fistful of Dollars is set around the turn of the century, Ramon is using a fully automatic machine gun (its not a Gatling gun he is not cranking it (its a prop anyway BTY)) those didn't become available until 1895, the Mexican Soldiers are wearing Khaki and the US soldiers are still in blue kersey the US didn't change to Khaki until 1898.

So if anything For a Few & Fistful are within a few years of each other and Joe & Manco could be seen as the same character.
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« Reply #123 on: July 03, 2009, 12:09:00 PM »

is Cigar Joe a screen name for Sherlock Holmes!
Holy S$%^%$T!

I cant vouch for the accuracy of your facts Joe, but well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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« Reply #124 on: July 21, 2009, 04:30:55 PM »

Bravo Joe, Bravo....  :)
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