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« Reply #440 on: September 16, 2007, 09:08:35 PM »

Cigar Joe, if you're posting someone else's words, you must give us a link and you must put the words in a quote box using the [ quote] [ /quote] tags (without the spaces).
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« Reply #441 on: September 17, 2007, 05:01:46 AM »

Done Cal  O0

The stand I'm making has to do with plausible reality, could all the ridiculous plot points happen in real life, no, the director asks you to check in your brains at box office.

This may be exactly what some people seek.

Watch the shiny objects and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. But if you have a certain degree of common sense of how the world works, then the absurdity takes you out of the film at some point, depending on your individual tolerances.

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I'm so happy you pointed this out. You say that when the gang members ride into town, that the lawman should open fire right away. Um no, not necessarily. The reason why they don't is because they have good in them, they're moral men. They're not evil like these men. That was obvious. They're trying to do things the right way, by law, and not go down to their level. They're not assasins. You can see that they in the film that they were scared of being outnumbered. That was evident. This is not unrealistic by no means. Also, there were many innocent people out in the street walking around, in broad daylight no less.

Wanted Dead or Alive gives the lawmen all the excuse in the world.

The James Gang at Northfield Minnesota found out the hard way what deternined townspeople can do, it also happened to a few other real  Old West gangs.

But again dave jenkins explains better:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6074.240

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I do want to make it clear to TB and lovelyrita that this is not, however, where I'm coming from. I am no respecter of genres. I hold all films to pretty much the same standard, no matter if they be Westerns, SF stories, war films, crime dramas, or what have you. That standard is this: the story must not include anything that flagrantly violates what we know of human psychology and/or the laws of physics. This is necessary to preserve the illusion that what we are seeing on film has some kind of connection to the real world. Without such a connection, I am unable to suspend my disbelief and enjoy the action. The whole thing just becomes a meat cartoon, and I've already seen all the cartoons I'm ever going to need. (One other requirement I have for films with historical settings: they must make some concession to the culture and practices of the period being used. Otherwise, the whole thing comes off as a modern drama in fancy dress, which is just ridiculous).

I can appreciate that the central point of interest in a film like 3:10 may not be the action so much as the relationship between Dan and Ben. But that interest is seriously compromised when the characters are not presented as thinking human beings, but rather as mindless puppets under the control of mercurial filmmakers. Human relationships in films are of interest to me only if they come off as convincing representations of the real thing, and for that you have to have convincing representations of human beings to begin with. In 3:10 the Dan and Ben characters do so many things (or fail to do so many things) that real people in those situations wouldn't/would do that I lose all respect for the characters. And if I can't respect the characters, I can't respect the relationship between the characters.

There are, apparently, people who like films regardless of how well or how poorly they are made. For such people, there are no bad films, the experience of viewing is enough for them. But I've always been acutely sensitive to shoddiness in literature, drama, and cinema. I love well-made narratives, but experience has taught me that such things occur rarely. Most films are badly made, but good films do exist and it is worth seeking them out. I cannot pretend that a bad film is entertaining when I know that better experiences await me. There are just too many films in the world, more than can be viewed in a lifetime, and it's silly to settle for anything but the very best.
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« Reply #442 on: September 17, 2007, 05:40:41 AM »

Leave your brain at the door? You clearly don't make any sense!!! You act like this is a fantasy film, with no reality whatsoever. I've seen the film cigar with my own two eyes. You're breaking down of the film and saying it defied logic is ridiculous. You just don't like it, therefor ripping it apart. It's absolutely funny that you're going around using what dave jenkins said, AN OPINION no less, and using it as FACT. Well, it's not a fact.

Ok cigar, we get it, you don't like the film, now move on buddy.
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« Reply #443 on: September 17, 2007, 05:48:20 AM »

Thanks, Joe. :)

Don't get too heated here, now, fellas ... we don't want a shootout here on the Eastwood Web Board.  :o
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« Reply #444 on: September 17, 2007, 05:53:33 AM »

Thanks, Joe. :)

Don't get too heated here, now, fellas ... we don't want a shootout here on the Eastwood Web Board.  :o

hahaha, no, we won't have a shootout. cigar and I know eachother quite well. He's my good bud. We're just having a friendly debate.  O0

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« Reply #445 on: September 17, 2007, 02:43:48 PM »

everybody,  check it out for yourselves, and see if it exceeds your tolerence levels, do see the original though to compare.
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« Reply #446 on: September 17, 2007, 04:41:39 PM »

I´m just glad that they`re doing westens again.Unfortunatelly it looks like 3:10 To Yuma will no open in Finland until  January 11th 2008  >:(

The other new western that I´m looking forward to see is The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford .

I´m also intrested in to see Seraphim Falls that stars Pierce Brosnan and Liam Neeson.I´m pretty sure that it`s direct to DVD type of film in Finland but that really doesn`t matter.I´m just intrested in to see how Brosnan fits western genre  :)

Btw has any of you seen Seraphim Falls and if you have how was it  ???

Anyway my last western that I watched was Blood on the Moon

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040175/

Great western.I really enjoy it.
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« Reply #447 on: September 17, 2007, 08:54:59 PM »

I´m just glad that they`re doing westens again.Unfortunatelly it looks like 3:10 To Yuma will no open in Finland until  January 11th 2008  >:(

The other new western that I´m looking forward to see is The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford .

I´m also intrested in to see Seraphim Falls that stars Pierce Brosnan and Liam Neeson.I´m pretty sure that it`s direct to DVD type of film in Finland but that really doesn`t matter.I´m just intrested in to see how Brosnan fits western genre  :)

Btw has any of you seen Seraphim Falls and if you have how was it  ???

Anyway my last western that I watched was...



Great western.I really enjoy it.

Serephim Falls is a pretty damn good western Hemlock! I own the film. The first 30 minutes are absolutely riveting and mind blowing. You'll see why when you watch it. You'll be on the edge of your seat. After the first 30 minutes or so, it's still a pretty good film, but just misses greatness in my humble opinion. Liam Neeson and Pierce Brosnan were great, especially Pierce who I thought gave one of the best performances of his career. This is a film you should see for sure!
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« Reply #448 on: September 18, 2007, 12:18:45 PM »

Serephim Falls is a pretty damn good western Hemlock! I own the film. The first 30 minutes are absolutely riveting and mind blowing. You'll see why when you watch it. You'll be on the edge of your seat. After the first 30 minutes or so, it's still a pretty good film, but just misses greatness in my humble opinion. Liam Neeson and Pierce Brosnan were great, especially Pierce who I thought gave one of the best performances of his career. This is a film you should see for sure!

Thanks for a review Kid.I`ll definitely watch the film when I get a chance to do so.

The film didn`t do too well at the boxoffice then???Maybe westerns needs bigger stars than Brosnan and Neeson to be succesful.Like Russell Crowe and Christian Bale.Both more contemporary stars than Neeson or Brosnan,I guess?
I read somewhere that 3:10 To Yuma is doing well at the theaters...or am I wrong?

Btw I tried to put pretty good looking poster of Blood On The Moon up there but evidently failed  :(
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« Reply #449 on: September 18, 2007, 12:20:55 PM »

I´m just glad that they`re doing westens again.Unfortunatelly it looks like 3:10 To Yuma will no open in Finland until  January 11th 2008  >:(

The other new western that I´m looking forward to see is The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford .

I´m also intrested in to see Seraphim Falls that stars Pierce Brosnan and Liam Neeson.I´m pretty sure that it`s direct to DVD type of film in Finland but that really doesn`t matter.I´m just intrested in to see how Brosnan fits western genre  :)

Btw has any of you seen Seraphim Falls and if you have how was it  ???

Anyway my last western that I watched was Blood on the Moon

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040175/

Great western.I really enjoy it.
I'm from Finland too, and it's really too bad that Yuma won't be here sooner. The same goes with the Jesse James film. I asked from Finnkino about it and they said it will be here around the turn of the year. But I'd say we're pretty lucky to even get these films here knowing what kind of movies we usually get. I mean, The Fountain got very limited release, only in Helsinki, without subtitles, but Norbit got very wide release. Doesn't make sense to me.
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« Reply #450 on: September 18, 2007, 12:31:12 PM »

Tere moviesceleton  ;) and welcome to board.

We can probably order those films from amazon.com or sites like that way before the films hit the screens here.

It truly sucks most of the time how they(Finnkino??) choose what film gets a wider release and which don`t.But I believe it`s money that makes the difference here too.Norbit was a sure win for Finnkino as The Fountain was too difficult(I suppose)for most of the movie-goers.

So did you see that Blood On The Moon few weeks back when it was on TV2?

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« Reply #451 on: September 18, 2007, 12:40:21 PM »

"The Proud Ones" (1956)
                       -Robert Ryan, Virginia Mayo. Jeffery Hunter

A fearless marshal clashes with a misguided cowboy, a ruthless saloonkeeper, and the indifferent citizenry as he struggles to maintain law and order in a quiet Kansas frontier town which is transformed into a riotous boomtown with the arrival of the first trail herds from Texas on the newly-completed railroad.

Good solid western adventure. Good acting and action. Nothing classic just a fine movie
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« Reply #452 on: September 18, 2007, 12:47:42 PM »

Tere moviesceleton  ;) and welcome to board.

We can probably order those films from amazon.com or sites like that way before the films hit the screens here.

It truly sucks most of the time how they(Finnkino??) choose what film gets a wider release and which don`t.But I believe it`s money that makes the difference here too.Norbit was a sure win for Finnkino as The Fountain was too difficult(I suppose)for most of the movie-goers.

So did you see that Blood On The Moon few weeks back when it was on TV2?


Tere ;D
Yeah, I know we could order them on DVD but I really want to see them on big screen since I've never seen a western in movies yet. I live on the coutry side but my girlfriend lives in Oulu where there are bigger theaters. Now I only have to convince her to go with me...

I did see Blood on The Moon. It was quite nice. I'd give it 7/10. Enjoyable, but it doesn't redefine the genre or anything. I try watch most of the westerns on TV since they're rather rare. I have The War Wagon (1967) ("Kultaa El Pasoon" I think) saved on the harddrive but I've been too busy lately to watch it. Have you been watching the series of classic films chosen by A. Kaurismäki on Teema?
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« Reply #453 on: September 18, 2007, 01:00:54 PM »

Thanks for a review Kid.I`ll definitely watch the film when I get a chance to do so.

The film didn`t do too well at the boxoffice then???Maybe westerns needs bigger stars than Brosnan and Neeson to be succesful.Like Russell Crowe and Christian Bale.Both more contemporary stars than Neeson or Brosnan,I guess?
I read somewhere that 3:10 To Yuma is doing well at the theaters...or am I wrong?

Btw I tried to put pretty good looking poster of Blood On The Moon up there but evidently failed  :(

No problem my friend. If you're a fan of western films, you should not miss Seraphim Falls. I think you'll enjoy it.

3:10 to Yuma is doing pretty well at the box-office here in the States. It was #1 at the box-office last weekend in it's opening. It's at #2 now, but hopefully the word of mouth will bring in more people. It's getting great reviews and buzz as well as it should. As you can tell, I really enjoyed it.
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« Reply #454 on: September 18, 2007, 04:20:28 PM »

I live on the coutry side but my girlfriend lives in Oulu where there are bigger theaters. Now I only have to convince her to go with me...

I did see Blood on The Moon. It was quite nice. I'd give it 7/10. Enjoyable, but it doesn't redefine the genre or anything. I try watch most of the westerns on TV since they're rather rare.

Hell freezes over before I could get my girlfriend to see a western in the theater.Her last western in cinemas was Eastwood`s Unforgiven and she though it was dull  :o  :o

I kind of agree with you what you said about Blood On The Moon.Certainly it didn`t offer anything new and was quite standard little western but it had few winning qualities that I liked.Forexample Walter Brennan(always a joy),Robert Mitchum`s stoic performance and that pretty gritty fistfight between him and the main baddie in the saloon.Great stuff.

I also tend to watch every western that`s on finnish television and yes they surely are rare  :(

As said Kid,I`ll watch Seraphim Falls as soon as I can.not only because I´m a fan of westerns but I´m kind of fan of Brosnan as well.
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« Reply #455 on: September 18, 2007, 04:34:52 PM »

Hell freezes over before I could get my girlfriend to see a western in the theater.Her last western in cinemas was Eastwood`s Unforgiven and she though it was dull  :o  :o

I kind of agree with you what you said about Blood On The Moon.Certainly it didn`t offer anything new and was quite standard little western but it had few winning qualities that I liked.Forexample Walter Brennan(always a joy),Robert Mitchum`s stoic performance and that pretty gritty fistfight between him and the main baddie in the saloon.Great stuff.

I also tend to watch every western that`s on finnish television and yes they surely are rare  :(

As said Kid,I`ll watch Seraphim Falls as soon as I can.not only because I´m a fan of westerns but I´m kind of fan of Brosnan as well.

If you're a fan of Brosnan Hemlock than you will be blown away by his performance. I honestly think this is his best work to date!
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« Reply #456 on: September 19, 2007, 05:54:18 AM »

So, I watched The War Wagon and it was very entertaining. Not really anything more but it was a fun viewing. Great dialogue. I'll give it 7.5/10
Hell freezes over before I could get my girlfriend to see a western in the theater.Her last western in cinemas was Eastwood`s Unforgiven and she though it was dull  :o  :o

I kind of agree with you what you said about Blood On The Moon.Certainly it didn`t offer anything new and was quite standard little western but it had few winning qualities that I liked.Forexample Walter Brennan(always a joy),Robert Mitchum`s stoic performance and that pretty gritty fistfight between him and the main baddie in the saloon.Great stuff.
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« Reply #457 on: September 19, 2007, 06:07:26 AM »

Btw has any of you seen Seraphim Falls and if you have how was it  ???


I guess I'm the only one who found Seraphim Falls to be one big western cliche?  As well you get a long drawn out pursuit scene at the beginning  before the audience has any invested interest in the characters, thereby reducing the suspense and tension to nothing. 

That's just me.  A lot of people seem to enjoy the movie, but I found it average.  It's certainly no The Outlaw Josey Wales.  Maybe I'd need to see it again to appreciate it more...?
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« Reply #458 on: September 19, 2007, 08:17:51 AM »

I guess I'm the only one who found Seraphim Falls to be one big western cliche?  As well you get a long drawn out pursuit scene at the beginning  before the audience has any invested interest in the characters, thereby reducing the suspense and tension to nothing. 

That's just me.  A lot of people seem to enjoy the movie, but I found it average.  It's certainly no The Outlaw Josey Wales.  Maybe I'd need to see it again to appreciate it more...?

Well Doug, you're right about "The Outlaw Josie Wales" being a overall better film. No doubt about that. I just thought the first half hour and 45 minutes of Seraphim Falls was magnificent. After that, it's a little dull in spots, but still held my attention. I'd go into some of the sequences I didn't like but I don't want to post any spoilers. Overall, I liked the film, but it could have been so much better.
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« Reply #459 on: September 19, 2007, 11:32:44 AM »

"Cowboy" (1958)
         -Glenn Ford. Jack Lemmon

Chicago hotel clerk Frank Harris dreams of life as a cowboy, and he gets his chance when, jilted by the father of the woman he loves, he joins Tom Reece and his cattle-driving outfit. Soon, though, the tenderfoot finds out life on the range is not what he expected


This is a great movie. As usual Glenn Ford give a terrific performance as the tough trail boss who takes the young tenderfoot under his wing.
Fine performance from Jack Lemmon as the young Hotel clerk, who goes from tenderfoot to cowboy.
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